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I would imagine they are not able to vote on agm/egm matters if they are not up to date financially, so that may also get a mention if so.
Important to know for Qld owners: Proxy votes can not be included when the Motion relates to a body corporate manager or a service contractor. There are some other restrictions too so keep that in mind. If you need to rustle up some votes relating to these issues the owner must be present in person to vote, or return any paperwork beforehand indicating your voting choice. Seems nuts, and found this out to our detriment just last weekend’s agm.
We just had our agm and when folks signed in they received a card to show at voting, it should be at this registration that the Manager checks the record and permits someone to immediately pay up or deny them their right to vote.
On your query regarding funds I won’t comment on that but would suggest learning and knowing the different terms makes life a little easier as many folks don’t understand or confuse which is what when referring to the 2 main accounts your finds go to. I suggest you remember them as 1. the Admin fund is remembered as A for action, and 2. the Sinking fund is remembered as S for saving. The other thing folks often get confused about and incorrectly use is the term Body Corporate which is all the owners together, and the Body Corporate Committee which is your annually selected representative group (chairman, treasurer, secretary plus regular members), not to be confused with your Body Corporate Manager who the Body Corporate sign up to undertake stuff beyond the Committee’s pay grade.
Anyways, I found knowing these terms helpful. I’m in Qld so your state many use some different terms but I hope that helps.
28/06/2019 at 10:23 pm in reply to: Options for extension after vacate notice due to unit sold #38355What reason can you give why you can not move in this time? Stating as much will help give you more informed advice.
You would require a annual fire check. That company could help. In Qld it’s a bit of a non-issue, someone at the agm nominates for the role but the annual licensed fire checker puts up the on the walls the floorplan escape routes and localised marshalling where you are to go to, i think they say lets give it a trial run on any date and no one goes anyways. Anyways, your complex manager would be best to call first I think.
if they are reluctant to repair anything its probably in your interest to know what is planned to get done before hand to ensure you are satisfied it’s an appropriate same/same or better response, you dont want money spent on a quick fix, cheap or wrong response you dont like and which you will be stuck with
In Qld our legislation says the property must be kept in good condition and structurally sound. So you wouldn’t think it would be a struggle for common sense to prevail but it is. I’d say your claim is legit if a 3rd party has assessed it as such. Can you ask your strata manager to come to your side, or at least give their advice to the matter. This might get them realising it’s not just you. Also, your local council might appreciate a call and respond afterward with some 3rd party directive which brings more folks into the discussion. Safety is a real issue should uncanny timing bring it down on someone and the cost to you on maintaining or renewing your insurance would also become a issue if the place is kept a dangerous mess. Knowing and quoting the applicable legislation can also put wind in your sails. Good luck!
Firstly, Id get your numbers to enable a EGM and before seeking that first have an informal discussion among your leaders within that group to ensure you are all on the same page, know what you need to know, and what you collective want to achieve, and to help build your numbers – which may even include some current committee members as most decisions are not 100% votes in favor. Someone needs to lead it, so if that’s you I’d suggest you don’t run too far in-front of the others and be open to the groups various thoughts. I imagine getting many of these folks active and involved will help cement them in place. When you are ready to roll get the show on the road seeking your EGM but if you can’t get the numbers informally you might find that is the first thing you need to acheive.
Bit rude. And shows the usual signs of a committee that feels it own’s the place and will be served rather than serve as they volunteered to do on behalf of all owners. There must be enough of them to win the committee’s vote on such things which is a pain as typically newer owners and fresh blood feel it’s all too hard and don’t continue as members and the recurrent mob feel all the more empowered or unaware of the shortsightedness and expense of such. A midnight bolt cutter run would fix issue 2 to enable others to also park as your committee feel is now acceptable. Offically (In Qld, at least), if it’s common property it need be accessible by all owners, not just some.
With most AGM’s the OC pursue efficiency so don’t prefer to get into long conversations but just want to vote and close the show. If you can’t make the date advised in advance (3 weeks minimum notice in QLd) you can still vote by mail or proxy another qualified person to vote as they feel or on your direction, like if further information will become available on the day from any clarifying questions etc.
13/06/2019 at 10:31 am in reply to: Reasons why you should – and shouldn’t – get elected to your committee #38078It’s an interesting one. Depends is my answer. If you are up for it and have a good enthusiastic, commonsense committee: go for it. If more than half are old hands with little desire for change or ability to pay for it or record of acting for the good of all: don’t bother. You can stay less stressed by acting in the shadows or writing to the committee from arm’s length. Knowing your rights and state’s legislation is gold when up against mere hubris or entitlement.
I’d actually love to see time limits on tenure and a better way to screen the abilities and effect of individual members. I’ve seen good people come and go and the old ones that these folk won’t/can’t work with just think they are still there so they must be ok to continue doing their low value ways with impunity. When you value your apartment and multiply it by units in total you see the site’s total value and can’t help but think no other asset or business worth that much would put itself at such risk if managed by individuals with no skill requirement and all sort of agendas.
Having thought about it over time a good committee itself needs to do 4 things well: know their legislative requirements, be effective/efficient in their actions, have a sense of value, and take stakeholder relationships into account.
Good individual committee members tend to do 4 things well: have or get relative skills, act on things in a timely fashion, apply themselves all year, and have a sense of value for what/whom they buy and how long it lasts.
Would I go around again though? Currently I’m leaning towards the words of Oscar Wilde. He advised: ‘I’d never join a club that would have me as a member’. Perhaps we previously served on the same committee!
Thanks for your considered thoughts/ I’ll take your recent responses on board. Certainly funds sought are increasing and owners are not happy. It’s obvious that the oldies running the show have done little in prior years and are reluctantly facing yesterdays inevitable issues at today’s prices. My current 3 motions you mention relate to other things but I will now comment on the accumulation of funds in the sinking fund so this is at least on peoples mind. Thank you again, sincerely appreciated.
Thank you. Can you add anything on insurance culpability which is of my particular interest. Only recently has the committee now got the lower portion of the boat ramp concrete being gernied (still too infrequent and river slime does reappear in full between washes). New arrivals tend to use it about 4 times with a new kayak then loose interest, a few of us do fish intermittently from the location, it is rare to have such a thing these days so tho low use but sells the dream of being here to new buyers I think, a few have mentioned using it for jet ski launching but haven’t bought one yet. I did see a visitor with a kayak horribly slip fall with his kayak under his arm previously. There is no lights for night fishermen. So surely kept in good repair for use and insurance is important?
Hi, thanks, points taken. Any thoughts on the value (or potential backfire) of a rebuttal or other advance response ahead of the meeting to at least raise the issue with postal voters who may respond earlier than the meeting and not attend? I thought I may phone around, as I;m doing with some key folk, or write directly to all owners, or seek the Manager to relay my response to all considering it was potentially biased and unfair to have included such in the first instance and they should have known better (The body corp commissioner’s office says the committee must be ‘reasonable’ and tho this is not breaching legislation is bordering problematic? Essentially is there more value in firing now, or better to keep the powder dry for later use?
Haven’t you just demonstrated that blind trust, though desirable, shouldn’t be taken for granted?
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