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    UberOwner
    Flatchatter

      I live in a 6-unit, 3-story apartment block in NSW with carpets on the common stairs and landings.  The owners on the top landing (two apartments) want to recarpet just that landing at their own expense.  There is an item in our Capital Works Plan to recarpet the entire building in a few years, but the OC doesn’t have the funds right now and the top floor owners don’t want to wait. The area they want to recarpet is a common area and it is pretty grotty.

      The other owners (including me) are inclined to say “yes” because even if they can’t get a carpet that’s an exact match, no one else sees that landing as it’s the top floor.

      However, what pitfalls could lie ahead?  For example, they might pull up the carpet and find a bug infestation or a water problem. And if the carpet clearly doesn’t match, what happens if they decide to sell and move on?  We would also have to find a way to ensure they still pay their full share when we recarpet the entire building in a few years time.

      If we give permission for this to go ahead, how do we protect the OC from any damages incurred or revealed through their request to recarpet a common area themselves, and how do we ensure they still pay their full share for the whole-of-building carpet project?

       

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    • #72893
      TrulEConcerned
      Flatchatter

        Often in a multi story building, the OC determines

        (a) how often to recarpet a common area (say every 6 yrs);

        (b) How much money per floor to allow for said recarpeting; and

        (c) What colour/style the carpet should be in order to be uniform in the building.

        If say the OC allows $2,00o per floor, in your case it’s $1,000 per lot every 6 years, then so long as each floor is given such an allowance every say 6 years (adjusted for inflation), it doesn’t matter if one floor changes carpet today and another floor does it next year etc. Records will be kept of when a floor replaced a carpet. If owners of a floor want say a $3,000 carpet then they will have to top up the $2,000 allowance given to that floor.

        The OC should stipulate that only well known carpet suppliers & layers can be used. Using such a commercial firm will ensure correct underlay is used and good quality workmanship will be provided.

        #72896
        UberOwner
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks TrulEConcerned.  We don’t have anything like a plan with the detail you’ve suggested although I can see why that would be a good idea.

          Noted – we will insist that only well-known carpet suppliers and layers can be used.

          #72897
          Boronia
          Flatchatter

            Why is a top floor area, which would be the least used, in such poor condition (seemingly in contrast to the lower, more used, floors)?

            Is this a maintenance issue which needs to be addressed?

            #72901
            UberOwner
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              There were some very grotty tenants up there at one point – they wheeled bicycles and prams across the carpets, kept potplants on the carpet and generally degraded the carpet in a big way.  The owner didn’t take any action and the OC didn’t notice.  The carpet is 15 years old, so we will be replacing it.

              #72903
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                The whole question of splitting costs is coming up more and more.  The law says that all common property costs must be charged to owners according to their unit entitlements.  But my investment property has some apartments not serviced by lifts and so only those that are pay for maintenance, under a special contract with the OC.

                I’d like to see a situation where, for expensive essential works, they could be split between those who can pay special levies up front a(and therefor don’t pay interest) and those who need a strata loan to avoid having to sell their homes.

                In this case, all you need is an agreement that the upstairs owners will be allowed to carpet at their own expense and it will only become common property after a reasonable time set out in the contract.  But then, I’m no lawyer.

                My other question is, how was the landlord of the flat able to walk away without compensating for the damage caused by their tenants?

                 

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #72906
                UberOwner
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  The landlord (who owned both units) sold up, and the new owners are the ones who want to replace the carpet.  At the time the landlord sold, he owed 18 months in levies and the OC was more concerned about making sure those were recovered during the sale process than worrying about a bit of carpet that was 15 years old and up for replacement in a few years anyway.

                  The landlord was a bit of a slum-lord.  The state of the apartments was truly dreadful when the new owners moved in.  Even if the landlord had wanted to get the tenants to pay for their damage to the carpets, those negotiations probably would have got ugly given the condition of the apartments in which they were living.   The new owners took on these awful apartments and have been doing a good job to rectify the issues caused by decades of neglect by the previous owner (the landlord).

                  #72908
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    As I am constantly telling readers of this website, there are no stratakops.  However, yo do this, no one from Fair Trading is going to come along and demand that the upstairs neighbours restore the old carpet or refund money.  You could push this through as a simple accounting exercise. Owners A want to replace the carpet.  The OC will pay for replacement, up to a certain value, but will only do so at a flexible date in the future which will be triggered by the recarpetting of the other lift lobbies.

                    Upstairs neighbours recarpet and pay for it. Share of agreed recarpetting (or part of it) is recorded as a debt by the OC to the people upstairs. Two years later, rest of building is recarpetted, Upstairs neighbours’ levies are reduced by their share of total recarpetting, established earlier, because the OC effectively owes them that money.

                    Complicated but actually simple.  Is it totally legal?  Who cares?  There are no StrataKops.  Your only problem is if the upstairs owners sell in the interim and the new owner wants their floor recarpetted at the same time as the others.

                    The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                    #72985
                    Pundit
                    Flatchatter

                      Can’t the top floor owners just deposit the cost into the relevant OC fund, and the OC pay for it? there would be no effect on levies or future plans.

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