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  • #78065
    Craxstar
    Flatchatter

      There are 5 villas along one side of the complex which have backyards that supposedly extend to the complex boundary. Problem is that there is a log retaining wall with a 1.2 meter high fence on it that situated in the middle of the backyard i.e. completely cuts off access to a part of our own lot. The drop beyond the retaining wall is 2 meters into the rest of the lot. The location of this retaining wall and fence is not shown on the strata plan but there is a notation that the retaining wall and fence form part of common property.

      Q1: Is that legal for the OC to block access to half your yard with common property infrastructure that is not even shown on the strata plan? There are no registered covenants related to not using the area beyond the retaining wall.

      Q2: Shouldn’t such an important piece of infrastructure be shown on the strata plan?

      Related to the above, there is a 1.5 meter wide continuous rubble drain at the base of the retaining wall that runs the length of my side of the complex, starting at my lot all the way down hill to the fifth lot. This is the only way water can be discharge from half the complex as we are not connected to council outlets on this side of the complex. There are no dividing fences between lots beyond the retaining wall – presumably because of the rubble drain?

      Storm water from common areas and one other villa is intentionally directed via my lot and discharged into the rubble drain located within my lot. The area where the rubble drain is located has mostly been maintained (vegetation cleared) by the OC for the last 20 years, as has the common property retaining wall. There is no registered easement allowing the redirection of water onto an individual lot, but preventive maintenance has been undertaken with the understanding that the area services multiple lots and preserving the structural integrity of the log retaining wall is financially beneficial for the OC.

      However, the new strata committee (n=2) has decided in their great wisdom that it’s not their problem (they live on the opposite side of the complex), and clearance needs to be approved by the OC. The strata manager has said it should be treated as common property and resolution by the OC is not needed.

      While the committee has agreed to look at the retaining wall because there is evidence of wood rot on my side and soil is eroding from my yard through holes in the wall, they are not prepared to do the clearance/preventive maintenance – I don’t actually know how they can inspect the retaining wall from the lower side anyway without clearing first anyway but ….

      Keeping a rubble drain at the base of a log retaining wall clear, and the log retaining wall clear (it has vegetation and larger trees growing out of it) seems to be preventive maintenance 101 to me. I requested maintenance because there is water pooling due to the overgrowth, and in turn this just promotes more growth on my lot (and attracts mozzies!). Noting my access to this part of the lot is blocked by a common property fence without a gate. Thee only access point is via the last villa or via a paddock which- is also so overgrown you can’t get through there.

      Anyway, I want to find a permanent solution so this is all above board and legal moving forward.

      Q3: The continuous rubble drain serves multiple lots so my understanding as per advice from the strata manager is that it’s considered common property even though there is no registered easement allowing for this. Is this correct?

      Q4: Assuming the above is correct, if the committee refuses to take responsibility for the rubble drain in particular, can I request they disconnect and remove all the pipes that direct water onto my lot from others and find somewhere else to dump to excess water?

      I think that’s actually trespass in the absence of an easement?

      Q5: Can I force the OC to create an easement given that the drainage and point for water discharge it for their benefit and actually a nuisance for me? And if so, would the OC then be legally bound to maintain it?

      I just don’t want the OC using and abusing my lot and expect that I’m going to clean up after them.

      Any other ideas?

      Thanks

       

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    • #78067
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        The solution is actually quite simple. The OC (and therefore the strata committee) has responsibility for maintaining and repairing common property.  If they refuse to do so, or ignore your requests for two months, you can apply to Fair Trading for mediation and then the Tribunal for orders under Section 232(2) of the Strata Schemes Management Act, for failure to fulfil a statutory obligation.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #78072
        Craxstar
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks I thought it obvious too but we are always at the mercy of strata committees and I’m sick of constantly argueing. Is there a way to formalise the proces to stop the constant bickering?

          And want about the retaining wall and fence in the middle of my yard?

          #78076
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            Thanks I thought it obvious too but we are always at the mercy of strata committees and I’m sick of constantly argueing. Is there a way to formalise the proces to stop the constant bickering?

            As explained, you go to Fair Trading for mediation then, if that fails, to  NCAT for orders.

            And want about the retaining wall and fence in the middle of my yard?

            From your description, I’m not sure what the actual problem is or how you want it to be resolved.  I can’t see the OC removing a retaining wall. If it’s on your lot property, then you can suggest they buy it from you an absorb  it into common property.

             

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #78077
            Craxstar
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Hi again,

              I’ve attached a snippet of the strata plan. Re the retaining wall and fence. They are noted as common property on the strata plan but the location not shown. It’s actually about two thirds of the way down the backyard and obstructs access and use of the rest of our yard. I can’t understand how that is legal to obstruct an owner from using their own lot when there is no covenant to forbid its use?

              When these villas were purchased everyone assumed the area beyond the retaining wall was common property because owners can’t access it. But as disputes arose we interrogated the strata plan and couldn’t find the location of the retaining wall and fence. The lot size when measured does include the area we are blocked from using. Very confusing for us.

              #78142
              tina
              Flatchatter

                @Craxstar, I cannot see your document.  As Jimmy explained, you need to document your communication with the strata committee.  Put this in writing:

                • Explanation of the problem.  Photos / video would be great
                • What needs to be done
                • Who is responsible for it and why this is common property

                Wait for their response (favourable or unfavourable)

                If unfavourable response, you go to Fair Trading and request mediation.

                If mediation fails (because they refuse to attend, or problem is not resolved), you receive a letter form Fair Trading to state that mediation failed.

                • Then you make an NCAT application
                • explaining that this is common property,
                • you asked them to fix it, they refused.
                • You want an order to get them to fix it and maybe, pay the costs of your strata lawyer (if you have one).  The application has a list of orders and which section of the law you need to say is being broken by the Strata Committee.

                At some point, they will try to bully you into paying their legal costs “when you lose”.  Ignore the threats.

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