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    misspopeye
    Flatchatter

      My partner is on the Body Corporate Executive Committee of a three-storey apartment building in North Sydney with 16 units which is classed as a Class 2 Building under the [Design and Building Practitioners Act (DBPA) and the associated Regulations].

      Our building is 20 years old and we are starting to have some waterproofing issues including replacing of membranes on external planter boxes, re waterproofing of doors and minor leaks exposed to the elements after the recent heavy rains. We consider this normal wear and tear on an older building and the Body Corporate is happy to pay the costs of repair.

      Our interpretation of the [Regulations] under Clause 13(1)(b) is that waterproofing is caught  unless:

      The work is carried out as a result of alterations to a bathroom, kitchen, laundry or toilet: and
      The alterations are carried out on an exempt development; and
      The work, including the agreement to carry out the work, relates to a single dwelling.

      Fair Trading has advised that apartment blocks are not considered a single dwelling and that all three of the above conditions must apply for the work to be excluded from the DBPA .

      In previous years we have used an excellent licensed waterproofing contractor to carry out the minor jobs and generally all the individual jobs are less than $5,000. The licensed waterproofing contractor we have used in the past has advised that as we are a Class 2 building, he can no longer do any remedial work on our building without the necessary approvals and certifications under the DBPA. I consider our licences waterproofing contractor to be very ethical and a first call tradesman and understand their concern with not doing the work without DBPA certification.

      We have contacted several architects, design practitioners and engineers regarding the certification and lodgement on the Planning portal required so we can repair the membrane on an external planter box and have received quotes in the range of $3,900 to $9,000 for certification of this small job which the licensed waterproofing contractor would charge $3,000 for the actual work. Who bears the warranty cost is another question. When I put the cost issues to Fair Trading they understood the issue but were powerless to act without legislative changes.

      Waterproofing remediation and repairs on older buildings is a difficult area and usually requires some removal of bricks and or concrete to determine the problem before it can be fixed. It would be difficult for an engineer or architect to determine the cause of the leak without this exploratory work which is best done by a licences waterproofing contractor.

      I fully understand the intention of the DBPA was to catch the dodgy waterproofers on new buildings, however minor waterproofing repairs to existing buildings outside of any warranty seem to have been ignored by the DBPA and are I believe may have not been fully considered when the Government rushed through the DBPA and needs to be reconsidered to make it practical and economic to carry out waterproofing repairs.

      I am aware of many other Strata apartment blocks and Body Corporate Managers grappling with the same issues on waterproofing repairs. I would certainly like to bring this waterproofing repair issue into the open for consideration on your forum.

      Failure to address the waterproofing issues on older buildings will cause further long-term damage to buildings if the repair work is not done.

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    • #65398
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        This post has been edited slightly because of confusion over the Act and Regulations and the initials used to identify them.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #65409
        chesswood
        Flatchatter

          If you check Hansard for the debates on the D&BP Bill, you’ll find the bill was praised from all sides (Lib, Lab, Greens and others) because it would solve problems that new buildings were giving. No-one mentioned older buildings, not even MPs whose electorates contain many Class 2 buildings dating from the 1940s. So there’s no-one likely to admit the Act has problems.

          Yet a building like MissPopEye’s clearly shouldn’t have the same issues as the new ones. Its owners have been dealing with waterproofing problems for years and know what to do so that the problems don’t recur three weeks later. And blind freddy should be able to see that $9000 certifications won’t fit in the budgets that modest older buildings have.

          What we need is a few parliamentarians who’ve served on strata committees. Alas, that won’t happen anytime soon.

          #66274
          chesswood
          Flatchatter

            I came across a document from the NSW government’s Building and Construction Policy team (who own the D&BP Act) saying there’s an exemption for works under $5000 in clause 13 of the regulation. I had a look at  https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/view/html/inforce/current/sl-2021-0152#sec.13

            and I can’t see it.

             

            Has anyone else heard of this alleged exemption?

            #66276
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              I came across a document from the NSW government’s Building and Construction Policy team

              It would help if you could provide a link to the socument you are quoting …

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              #66282
              chesswood
              Flatchatter

                The document was an email to me from Building Confidence Response a.k.a. the Building and Construction Policy Team which is apparently the organ of the NSW government responsible for championing the D+BP Act:

                 

                I appreciate the concerns you have raised around the application of the Design and Building Practitioners Act 2020 (DBP Act) in relation to remedial building work. The Department is currently working with representatives of the remedial industry to provide information and guidance in relation to the application of the DBP reforms and address issues with implementation. Your feedback will inform this work.

                 

                In the meantime, I’d like to highlight that there is some building work which is exempt from the application of the DBP Act. This means that the work can be undertaken and the obligations requiring registered design practitioners and registered building practitioners to do the work and make compliance declarations do not apply. The full list of exemptions can be found in clause 13 of the DBP Regulation. Apart from the waterproofing exemption, which only applies to work on a single unit in an apartment building, not to the common areas and not to work involving multiple units in the building, there is also an exemption where the work involved is valued under $5,000. In the example you’ve provided, if the value of the work is $3,000, then the DBP Act does not apply. The work may be carried out without triggering the obligations under the DBP Act.

                 

                For building work where the exemptions do not apply, and practitioners you’ve previously engaged are not registered under the DBP Act and authorised to make declarations, it may be necessary to engage other consultants who are registered. There is a searchable public register that includes registered design and building practitioners.

                I emailed them asking where the $5000 exemption was but have not had a reply.

                Could there have been a ministerial order separate from the regulation?

                #66289
                newb
                Flatchatter

                  I think it’s in the Home Building Act 1989 Schedule 1 definitions of residential building work, specialist work, and plumbing and drainage work and in the Home Building Regulation 5 Thresholds for contract requirements. I started investigating. Still not sure that waterproofing under $5000 is exempt though, as it still may be specialist work.

                  Not easy or practical to work out what’s lawful and how to maintain your building on a budget. But fun if you enjoy that kind of thing.

                  #66343
                  chesswood
                  Flatchatter

                    There’s a facility at https://www.onegov.nsw.gov.au/PublicRegister/#/publicregister/search/DBP which should give you a list of practitioners who might suit your requirements. The tip suggests you could search for John Smith or by licence number etc.

                    However, searching with words like Sydney, Building, Remedial, Architect, Waterproofer etc do not return any matches.

                     

                    Has anyone had success with this search facility?

                     

                    #66422
                    chesswood
                    Flatchatter

                      There’s a newish search facility which seems to work (although the older site flags it as beta version) at

                      https://verify.licence.nsw.gov.au/home/DBP

                      and the old one still doesn’t work so perhaps it will be replaced by the beta version.

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