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  • #76810
    Shortcrust
    Flatchatter

      Under s. 122 of the SSM Act the OC can enter premises under certain circumstances. Does anyone know of a case where an owner of a lot was away, did not leave a key with anyone and the OC needed to access her lot during an emergency and that entry caused damage for which the lot owner sought compensation at NCAT and lost pursuant to clause 6 of that section?

      Thanks to all.

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    • #76814
      kaindub
      Flatchatter

        Unless its a real emergency the OC needs an order of the court to enter a property

        In an extreme emergency ie a fire the OC can enter without a court order. The only damage I can contemplate is a broken door. As the door is OC property, they have to repair it at their cost. But thats going tobethe least of the problems.

        Maybe you can be more specific about the type of damage you are thinking of.

        If an OC is granted entry to a property it needs to take reasonable precautions not to cause any damage to owner property. However how one proves the OC damaged owner property may be harder to prove.

        NCAT is a civil court, so the standard of proof is “on the balance of probabilities”. Unless you can show recent photos of undamaged property, proving such a case, even with such a low threshold, is difficult.

         

        #76835
        Shortcrust
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Hi kaindub,

          Thanks for the reply but I think you missed clause 6 of s. 122

          As I read it the OC is not responsible for damages to the door or lot owner’s contents if the lot owner hindered the OC in carrying out its functions.

          Surely withholding keys from the OC when one is  absent and in fact not passing the keys to a neighbour or friend is the very definition of hindering? No?

           

           

          #76841
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            Surely withholding keys from the OC when one is  absent and in fact not passing the keys to a neighbour or friend is the very definition of hindering? No?

            No. If it was, there would be a standard by-law to that effect.  The section you quote is to deal with people who don’t want anyone coming into their apartments for reasons that range from privacy to criminal activity and in so doing interfere with essential or emergency repairs.  The front door is common property so the OC has a lot of leeway in that regard.

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #76847
            Shortcrust
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Jimmy, given what you wrote, who do you see responsible for damages to a front door and lot owner’s contents if the OC and its hired tradesmen need to enter to make emergency repairs and the owner has not left keys with anyone? Surely the OC cannot be forced to reinstate items that need not have been damaged if a neighbour had a key.

              Is there another section in the SSM Act that speaks to this?

              It would be great to hear of NCAT cases that considered this issue.

              #76849
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                Is there another section in the SSM Act that speaks to this?

                Not really. There are issues of personal privacy and security that would mitigate against any by-law or strata law requiring keys to be left with third parties. Having lived in a building where a corrupt building manager allowed security mates to enter apartments using special master keys I can see why there is no requirement for owners to leave keys with anyone else. This is the relevant section of the Act.

                122 Power of owners corporation to enter property in order to carry out work
                (1)An owners corporation for a strata scheme may, by its agents, employees or
                contractors, enter on any part of the parcel of the scheme for the purpose of carrying
                out the following work:
                (a) work required or authorised to be carried out by the owners corporation in
                accordance with this Act (including work relating to window safety devices
                and rectification work carried out under Part 11),
                (b) work required to be carried out by the owners corporation by a notice given to
                it by a public authority,
                (c) work required or authorised to be carried out by the owners corporation by an
                order under this Act.
                (2) An owners corporation for a strata scheme may, by its agents, employees or
                contractors, enter on any part of the parcel for the purpose of determining whether
                any work is required to be carried out by the owners corporation in accordance with
                this Act.
                (3) In an emergency, the owners corporation may enter any part of the parcel for those
                purposes at any time.
                (4) In a case that is not an emergency, the owners corporation may enter any part of the
                parcel for those purposes with the consent of any occupier of that part of the parcel
                or, if the occupier does not consent, in accordance with an order of the Tribunal under
                this Division.
                (5) A person must not obstruct or hinder an owners corporation in the exercise of its
                functions under this section.
                Maximum penalty: 5 penalty units.
                (6) An owners corporation is liable for any damage to a lot or any of its contents caused
                by or arising out of the carrying out of any work, or the exercise of a power of entry,
                referred to in this section unless the damage arose because the owners corporation
                was obstructed or hindered.

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #76838
                David Ng
                Flatchatter

                  Surely you have to be asked to grant entry first before you can be accused of hindering access?

                  If the resident had left contact details and responded in a reasonable time then surely that is all that is required in normal circumstances?

                  Otherwise it would seem that the OC/Management company would need to hold a set of keys for every residence in the building.

                  #76852
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    Surely you have to be asked to grant entry first before you can be accused of hindering access?

                    Absolutely, or at least be subject to a Tribunal order. In an emergency, however – such as the all-too-common burst washing machine hose scenario – the scheme would possibly be compensated by its insurance.

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                    #76915
                    Shortcrust
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                      david,

                      I understand in many buildings the OC does not hold keys of everyone. My point is that in an emergency when time is of the essence  and if an owner left no contact details and left no key with a neighbour or concierge etc requiring the OC to force entry why should the OC have to pay to repair a door whose damage could have been avoided if only the owner had been reasonable in his actions?

                      #76925
                      scotlandx
                      Strataguru

                        I don’t think it is unreasonable for an owner to be absent and not leave their keys with anyone. I do not believe it is common practice for people to leave keys when they go away, on the off chance there will be an emergency in their apartment building necessitating access to their property. So that is irrelevant to the question of who is responsible for repairs.

                        The door is common property – if the OC had to damage it to gain access the OC should repair the door. I had first hand experience of this many years ago, when there was a flood in my apartment, and the fire brigade had to break the door down. The OC paid for the door and the splintered doorframe to be fixed.

                        #76953
                        Shortcrust
                        Flatchatter
                        Chat-starter

                          Scotlandx,

                          Thanks for your reply.

                          It seems from online searches and fair trading that there is no clear answer.

                          While you say in your case the OC paid for repairs that does not necessarily mean the OC was liable.

                          I would be pleased as punch to find a case where s122 ssma was tested ie how “hindering” was defined. Just to get clarity.

                          #76987
                          Jimmy-T
                          Keymaster

                            If you are interested, this has been discussed on this week’s Flat Chat Wrap podcast.

                            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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