Forums Common Property Current Page

  • Creator
    Topic
  • #11089 Reply | Quote
    gwyn
    Flatchatter

      I am the owner of a strata townhouse/villa I bought  in 2016.   My enquiry relates to who is responsible for what.  The house sits on its own  lot of about a quarter acre and is unattached to any other house or building. The nearest house in the strata complex is about 20 metres away from my house although several have adjoining lot boundaries.  There are 7 houses/lots in the strata complex.    If  repairs or maintenance are needed to matters such as the roof, gutters, windows, foundations, external painting,  structural problems etc who is responsible.?  The Strata Manager has advised me that when the strata complex was built in around 2004, the then owners all agreed verbally that they would be responsible for all matters relating to each of their own  houses.  There is nothing in writing to state this, and no by-law. When I raised this matter  with the Strata Manager I was told about this verbal agreement and therefore any repairs or maintenance were my responsibility.  I would ask you to advise me on whether this is correct or not.  Please note also that Building Insurance on all the Lots is paid for by the owners’ corporation, but this does not cover  many situations requiring attention due to wear and tear.

    Viewing 8 replies - 1 through 8 (of 8 total)
    • Author
      Replies
    • #27001 Reply
      Sir Humphrey
      Flatchatter

        It is important to confirm which state you are in. Who is responsible for what varies with different state legislation. In the ACT, what you describes would probably be ‘class B’ (but confirm that) and you would be responsible for repair and maintenance of your townhouse unit. However, it is possible for the OC to resolve to make the OC responsible for specified maintenance that would usually be yours to deal with. Possibly similar elsewhere. I would get that verbal agreement formalised by a proper resolution, if that is consistent with your state’s legislation. 

        #27004 Reply
        Lady Penelope
        Flatchatter

          gwyn – Your scheme layout sounds different from most.

          Some Strata Plans indicate that buildings do not form common property. What does your Strata Plan say?

          It is possible to prepare a strata plan where it is intended that the buildings form part of their respective lot and not become common property.

          In these instances the following conventions apply:The floor plan is prepared differently and it must show the following: (1) The walls will be shown by thick broken lines unless they form a lot boundary. (2) There will be only one floor plan regardless of the number of levels in the building. The floor plan will represent the perimeter walls of the building at ground level. (3) The plan must have a statement indicating that the building forms part of the lot and is not common property for example. ‘The structure of the building standing on each lot, including walls, floors, ceilings and roofs, form part of the lot and is not common property.’

          See page 21 of this document for a more detailed explanation and examples: 

          https://rgdirections.lpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/143078/Strata_Plans_Fast_Facts.pdf

          However, if your Strata Plan does not indicate that the buildings do not form common property then your Owner’s Corporation will need to formalise the responsibility for maintenance and repair. A verbal agreement from 2004 is definitely not good enough. 

          Even with an SSMA 2015 [s106(3)] special resolution an OC cannot opt out of the responsibility for common property structural repairs or painting (i.e. appearance of common property) etc. 

          106 Duty of owners corporation to maintain and repair property

           

          (1) An owners corporation for a strata scheme must properly maintain and keep in a state of good and serviceable repair the common property and any personal property vested in the owners corporation.

          (2) An owners corporation must renew or replace any fixtures or fittings comprised in the common property and any personal property vested in the owners corporation.

          (3) This section does not apply to a particular item of property if the owners corporation determines by special resolution that:

          (a) it is inappropriate to maintain, renew, replace or repair the property, and

          (b) its decision will not affect the safety of any building, structure or common property in the strata scheme or detract from the appearance of any property in the strata scheme.

          #27015 Reply
          gwyn
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Sir Humphrey: sorry I should have said this is in NSW.  

            Lady Pen: further info, the buildings are all single storey.  On the Strata Plan floor plan, the buildings within the lots are all shown in unbroken lines, and the boundaries of the lots are also shown in unbroken lines, same thickness. None of the building lines are lot boundary lines, as the buildings are set away from the lot boundary lines by a few, or several, metres.  I’m not sure where I would look for a strata plan statement saying:” buildings do not form common property”. I only have strata plan info that was in the purchase contract.

            The stratum statement says:  “The stratum of each garden area extends from 3m below to a height of 5m above the upper surface of the floor level of the respective adjoining residence, except where covered”.   Not sure what all that means, or any relevance to the question which remains whether the external components of the buildings in our strata plan are subject to the requirements of strata law re repair, maintenance etc .

            Thank you for your help

            #27018 Reply
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              @gwyn said:
              The stratum statement says:  “The stratum of each garden area extends from 3m below to a height of 5m above the upper surface of the floor level of the respective adjoining residence, except where covered”.   Not sure what all that means …

              That means that your lot extends to 3 m below ground level to 5 m above it – unless it has a roof over it … like your house.

              I’m not sure what it is that you want, here.  Do you not want to pay for the upkeep of your house and would rather the owners corp did that?

              If so, be careful what you wish for … you could end up getting a bill for your share of all the other work done around the scheme when the other owners agree that that Owners Corp should repay them for theirr work.

              If you merely want to formalise a verbal agreement, get a by-law drafted to that effect – but make sure it contains a clause that requires everyone to maintain the external appearance of their lot to the committee’s satisfaction. 

              If you want to be alerted when anyone replies to your posts or responds to this topic, please register and login, then you will be able to subscribe to the topic. The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers. NB: Longer threads may spill over to additional pages - look for the numbers on the bottom right, under the last post.
              #27020 Reply
              Sir Humphrey
              Flatchatter

                If I understood correctly, I think gwyn is saying that the entire building of each townhouse is set a few meters within the lot boundaries. While I am less familiar with NSW, I think that would mean that the townhouse is entirely the lot owner’s to maintain. I don’t think that this depends on any verbal agreement or require any more documentation than the strata plan. If it is to the inside of the lot boundary, doesn’t that make it the lot owner’s responsibility to maintain, in NSW as elsewhere?

                #27044 Reply
                gwyn
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Replying to Jimmy T:  I want to know where I stand legally rather than an apparent handshake more than a decade ago by previous owners.  Can creating a by-law as you suggest supersede what strata law says in terms of the Owners Corp being responsible for certain things?  I also understand your cautionary caveat.

                  To Sir Humphrey:  your question is why I broached this topic.  However I looked at page 21 of

                  https://rgdirections.lpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/143078/Strata_Plans_Fast_Facts.pdf  

                  as suggested by Lady Pen which indicates that if the building is not common property then it should be shown on the strata plan by thick broken lines, and the strata plan should contain a statement stating that the building is not common property.  My strata plan has neither.  The buildings are shown as a solid line, the same as the lot boundaries.

                  #27045 Reply
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    It’s important to differentiate between strata law and by-laws (even the standard or model ones).

                    You can’t create a by-law that superseded Strata or any other law.  For instance, you can’t create a by-law that says you don’t want to have strata insurance as that is required by law.

                    However, you can pass a by-law that establishes new by-laws or changes exisiting ones.  A very good example of that is the recommendation that owners corporations accept (or modify) the “Who’s Responsible” guidelines for your scheme.

                    Section 106-108 lay out the Owners Corporation’s responsibility to maintain and repair common property and the parameters withing which that may be changed.

                    But in your circumstances, you would be advised to get it established by by-law who is responsible for what before someone buys the least-well maintained house and demands that everyone else pays to bring it up to scratch.

                    Regarding why you have raised this, I think we are all interested in what your motivation is – as in, what you hope to achieve – rather than what piqued your interest. 

                    If you want to be alerted when anyone replies to your posts or responds to this topic, please register and login, then you will be able to subscribe to the topic. The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers. NB: Longer threads may spill over to additional pages - look for the numbers on the bottom right, under the last post.
                    #27051 Reply
                    gwyn
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                      The principal reason is that we have an AGM coming up which will be my first as we have only owned our house/lot for less than a year.  There will also be two other new house/lot owners out of the seven in total.  I wanted to put on the agenda an item to clarify the vagueness of the situation that I have described already of “Who’s responsible?”  .  With your answers it would appear to be best to introduce a suitable by-law to put into place what has been only a loose understanding to date.

                      I appreciate your comments and input.  Gwyn

                    Viewing 8 replies - 1 through 8 (of 8 total)
                    Reply To: Buildings not adjoined to others in strata
                    PLEASE ... If your property is not in NSW, mention its location (state). Don't identify companies or individuals by name. Don't mention or promote your company or services. Keep acronyms and initials to a minimum. Please, don’t use “quote” unless there is a specific point to which you wish to refer, then highlight (define) that specific passage before you click on "quote". Otherwise just use reply. THANKS.

                    You can use BBCodes to format your content.
                    Your account can't use all available BBCodes, they will be stripped before saving.

                    Your information:




                    Forums Common Property Current Page