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    Kendle
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      I understand that from July 1st, the annual fire services levy will be collected via council rates rather than via buildings insurance. It is stated by Treasury NSW that this will amount to a saving for homeowners. However for those of us who live in strata schemes it would seem to be the opposite. Our 8 unit scheme pays around $480 pa via insurance for the fire levy-i.e. $80 per unit. The average cost to individual ratepayers from July 1st is being quoted as anything from $180 to $450, depending on the source (i.e. treasury v FSU). Either way, it seems to me that if you live in a strata scheme you are going to be paying a lot more. Has anyone got further information on this?

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      tharra
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        Owner’s Corporation insurance isn’t the only type of insurance which attracts the Fire Services Levy. e.g. it is levied on my contents insurance policy. Overall I’ll see a payment reduction once the changes come into effect.

        More info:

        https://fireandemergencyserviceslevy.nsw.gov.au/

        My insurance policy renewal arrived with an explanatory note. You’ll probably find the same with your OC insurance policy.

        #26738 Reply
        Annabella
        Flatchatter

          Oh no..I can’t believe this!  Eventually I’ll be living in the gutter…

          #26769 Reply
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            I have just chased this all the way to the department of finance and they confirm what Tharra has written above.

            The levy will come off all the insurances that you currently hold (if they have the levy) and a charge will be redistributed to you on your rates bill, according to your Unit Entitlements.

            The man from the Ministry says some people will pay less and some may pay more but the difference will be minimal. Here’s a link to the relevant NSW gov page

            FYI:  The intention is to make sure that those people who don’t have home insurance still pay their share for fire services.

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            #26789 Reply
            Kendle
            Flatchatter
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              I am not convinced: I pay in Fire Service levies a total of $156.75 pa-$80 via strata buildings group policy, $75 via my contents policy and $1.75 via motor insurance

              I will be delighted if the amount added to my rates annually is less than this but all the information available indicates that it will be more than this

              #26790 Reply
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                @Kendle said:
                I will be delighted if the amount added to my rates annually is less than this but all the information available indicates that it will be more than this  

                What information is this? Got a link?

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                #26791 Reply
                Boronia
                Flatchatter

                  Councils already contribute to the operation of fire brigades, so I guess this is recouped transparently through rates.

                  Perhaps this amount will now be incorporated into the new levy, with an equivalent reduction in the residual rates?

                  #26905 Reply
                  tharra
                  Flatchatter

                    Calculate your FESL here:

                    https://fesl.nsw.gov.au/rates_and_calculator#130412

                    Mine will reduce slightly.

                    #26927 Reply
                    Kendle
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                      Watch out for your contents renewal. Mine due on 24th June, 6 days before FSL comes off insurance, still includes the full FSL of (for me) $72. If i leave the renewal for 7 days i will therefore save the $72..but have no cover for 6 days. Worth it?

                      #26928 Reply
                      Kendle
                      Flatchatter
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                        My rates levy will be $178 whilst I am currently paying $133 via my various insurances. $50 increase…but better than I’d feared

                        #26932 Reply
                        Jimmy-T
                        Keymaster

                          @Kendle said:
                          My rates levy will be $178 whilst I am currently paying $133 via my various insurances. $50 increase…but better than I’d feared  

                          Seems high

                          Are you calcualting by the lower land value as instructed here: https://fesl.nsw.gov.au/rates_and_calculator#130412 ?

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                          Kendle
                          Flatchatter
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                            Yes-my land value is 360,000 (my share of the strata block value of 3,000,000) so I pay $100 plus 21.9 x 3.6 = $178

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                            Boronia
                            Flatchatter

                              @Kendle said:
                              Watch out for your contents renewal. Mine due on 24th June, 6 days before FSL comes off insurance, still includes the full FSL of (for me) $72. If i leave the renewal for 7 days i will therefore save the $72..but have no cover for 6 days. Worth it?  

                              According to the FESL website

                              In each financial year, landowners will only make a single contribution to the cost of emergency services.

                              When insurance on a property is renewed at any time during 2016-17, the insurance‑based emergency services levy is the landowner’s contribution for the twelve months ending in June 2017.  

                              When the FESL commences in July 2017, landowners will contribute to fire and emergency services funding for 2017-18.  They will have the option of paying the FESL quarterly, to help spread the cost through the year.

                              So in theory it would seem you could owe this money whether you renew your insurance or not, as you have had the benefit of insurance for almost 12 months of the FY.

                               

                              #26987 Reply
                              Kendle
                              Flatchatter
                              Chat-starter

                                I agree which is why I will not be renewing my policy on June 24th but will wait until July 1st

                                #26988 Reply
                                Kendle
                                Flatchatter
                                Chat-starter

                                  I discussed this with my insurance company. The agent I spoke to had not even heard that the FESL was coming off insurance. I suggested he spoke to his manager but he assured me that I must be wrong because he would have been told. That insurance company is Brisbane based and of course the change only affects NSW

                                  It will interesting to see what transpires after July 1st

                                  I pay monthly for my insurance so as far as I am concerned, I have been contributing throughout 2016/7 towards the FESL. They have only changed the rules since it got added to the rates-they obviously had to have a common start date. With a renewal date of June 24th i feel it would be unfair to have to pay the levy.Given an earlier renewal date, I would have just paid up..

                                  #27070 Reply
                                  Jimmy-T
                                  Keymaster

                                    OK this is what you get when a real journalist gets their teeth into the subject: Tough sell for new tax

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