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  • in reply to: Holding EC meeting without secretary #21495
    leif
    Flatchatter

      STRATA SCHEMES MANAGEMENT ACT 1996 –

      Source

      https://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ssma1996242/

       

      STRATA SCHEMES MANAGEMENT ACT 1996

      – As at 1 January 2014

      – Act 138 of 1996

      DICTIONARY

      Part 1 – Definitions

      ” special resolution” means a resolution which is passed at a duly convened general meeting of an owners corporation and against which not more than one-quarter in value, ascertained in accordance with clause 18 (2) and (3) of Part 2 of Schedule 2, of votes is cast.Yell

      in reply to: Balcony balustrade #21223
      leif
      Flatchatter

        Cosmo is right but gives only half the answer

        Quick answer

        Options fix the railing to comply with current minimum or lock the balcony door

        My Answer

        You need to address the real issues (for a building registered as domestic use only)

        • Is the building approved

          • Any change to usage or structure may invalidate the current building certificate that was issued when built
          • Legal liability

            • If you provide an known unsafe environment for visitors are you legally responsible
            • Work Cover does not care about anything other than its requirements and will fine you for having workers in an unsafe area

        Most reputable contractors know and will not carry out work (including accessing the area) that affects the building but it is common that balconies gets tiled and that change is sufficient to be classified as a change to railing height and no longer approved as built.

        In summary approved as built but not meeting current standard

        • If you fall over it is only your fault as an owner
        • If anyone (visitors, renters?) falls over you are legally liable for providing a known unsafe place
        • No one has to fall over but Work Cover will fine you if the area is accessed by a worker

        As the balcony railing is common property I assume the fines would go direct to the Owners Corporation?

        in reply to: building security #21018
        leif
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Whale sorry about the confusion

          I 100% agree with you on all issues bar one

          You have given clear indication of the required rules that the EC should but did not follow THANKS

          The next step is one that confuses me and clearly you are confused as to why I am confused.

          I did believe that anything that had a downgrading effect of the value of my unit required my approval.

          Hence the three different resolutions in simplicity

          Majority Resolution (Neutral Change)

          Special Resolution (Positive Change)

          Unanimous Resolution (Negative Change)

           

          But your replay was a special resolution can remove / change

          Remove 90% of entrance lights

          Remove 90% of garden lights

          Remove 100% of lockable front foyer entrance doors (3)

          Remove 100% of lockable rear entrance doors (6)

          Remove 100% of the sound blocking features between the building and the highway

          Turn off the external light at midnight with no means of turning on if wanted / required

           

          The simple question was is there anything that cannot be removed under a special resolution

          I thought all of the above has a negative impact of the value of my lot and would have required a unanimous resolution.

           

          The only ones attending our AGM is the executive committee plus their friend’s proxies hence the outcome of an AGM will not change anything the EC has done.

           

          This means a majority (special resolution) can remove all the features I purchased the unit for SECURITY and PRIVACY.

           

          This is then clear there is nothing achievable by insisting the rules are adhered to and further actions are a waste of every body’s time as the end result will not be changed and all safety features will remain removed.

           

          As the building now has changed to below my security standard and has lost value I now have to sell at a reduced profit.

           

          I am not arguing about you being right I just refuse to believe I have lost so much value so quickly and so simply.Cry

          in reply to: building security #21009
          leif
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Whale you refer to special resolution

            The Strata Schemes Managing Act is clear in the duties of maintenance?

            62 What are the duties of an owners corporation to maintain and repair property?

            (1) An owners corporation must properly maintain and keep in a state of good and serviceable repair the common property and any personal property vested in the owners corporation.

            (2) An owners corporation must renew or replace any fixtures or fittings comprised in the common property and any personal property vested in the owners corporation.

            (3) This clause does not apply to a particular item of property if the owners corporation determines by special resolution that:

            (a) it is inappropriate to maintain, renew, replace or repair the property, and

            (b) its decision will not affect the safety of any building, structure or common property in the strata scheme or detract from the appearance of any property in the strata scheme.

             

            The NSW laws does not allow the majority to steal from the minority (not yet until the new proposed Strata Acts are implemented where a special resolution will allow a forced sale on the minority)

             

            Clearly anything is possible under a unanimous resolution if implemented correctly and all owners are told abstaining from voting is the same as agreeing as only the no votes are counted after one vote in favour.

            A quorum is required to vote but it is not compulsory to vote.

             

            The question is how section 62 reads especially (3)

             

            What is determined by a special resolution?

            (a) it is inappropriate to maintain, renew, replace or repair the property

             

            Well so far all agree but the next bit is read two different ways

             

            First

            The special resolution decides

            (b) its decision will not affect the safety of any building, structure or common property in the strata scheme or detract from the appearance of any property in the strata scheme.

             

            Second

            The special resolution can only be done if

            (b) its decision will not affect the safety of any building, structure or common property in the strata scheme or detract from the appearance of any property in the strata scheme.

             

            I seem to be the only one supporting the second option and if (observe the strike out)

            (b) its decision will not affect the safety of any building, structure or common property in the strata scheme or detract from the appearance of any property in the strata scheme.

            It requires a unanimous resolution

             

            If the first reading is right there would be no need for an arbitrator.

            As an arbitrator can only have an opinion that the decision did affect the safety of any building, structure or common property in the strata scheme or did detract from the appearance of any property in the strata scheme.

            in reply to: Abandoned car or parking madness? #21006
            leif
            Flatchatter

              JT

              You are right parking in property is difficult to control

              Due to the many quirks in the relevant laws

              Rather than addressing the parking there are two solutions that work.

              First gate the access but as we all know this is a pain for all.

              The second is the law about access to property that is not gated and like it or not but the general public has right of access, like the door to door sales person that can access all floors.

              But here is the solution

              Revoking the implied licence to enter is a simple matter, a simple sign forbidding trespassing is all it takes to prevent access.

              Now by being on the property a criminal act has occurred and yes the police do act on criminal actions.

              In fact all legal recommendations is do not fight the trespasser call the police

               

              Genuine visitors display a sign including lot visiting or get the same treatment as trespassers.

              in reply to: building security #21004
              leif
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                YellFirstly thanks for all replies

                Sorry about the length but to clarify all questions

                As it was a request for maintenance of broken items I did only raise it at the AGM as I thought it was only information that should be investigated and followed by properly maintained and did not expect any vote.

                It is correct there is no item on the agenda for owners to say anything but I thought the simple advice of broken items should be minuted but was totally rejected and not minuted and no records even of the advice to address the EC

                My written request was handed to the ECM before the meeting that is held directly after the AGM and accordingly was not on the agenda but made it into the minutes

                Under other maters but no reference to my written request to have the locks maintained and my security concerns including that most entrance lights are not working globes removed and not replaced

                Front entrance doors

                Resolved that the strata manager arrange for tradesman to check that all 3 front entrance doors latch but do not lock

                Consequently the locks where removed / replaced with non-locking fittings and not maintained

                I know they (ECM) are saying as the locks where already faulty removing them is not downgrading security I did make a written request to the EC about a year ago and was advised security is an owner’s responsibility but did the second request to the strata manager at the AGM as I thought the EC was out of its …..

                Under pretention of fire safety all entrance doors and corridor dors has had the locks removed not even considered for one way and again without any owner’s resolution. The building has 5 external doors and have an additional two corridors between the three stairwells that was originally locked in all directions and now the final locks has been removed on the front entrance doors in summary nine door locks has now been removed and several break and enter has occurred and the last sleeping in the stairwell was last Saturday.

                I see solutions of special resolution but I thought any change that downgrades the value and I thought removal of security does just that and would require a unanimous resolution.

                The EC has verbally indicated one reason the locks are not maintained is the then required intercom is to expensive

                As there was no indication that the EC was informed by the strata manager of my request I e-mailed my request to all ECM but no mentioning in the following ECM Agenda only under business arising from minutes. The three front doors has been attended to

                But in the minutes it made it under correspondence. Correspondence via E-mail received from owner of unit 20 regarding personal request for overdue maintenance and defects all points raised in the letter were discussed and actioned where required

                Again no mentioning of the request or the actions taken  

                 

                For info here is my written request hand given to the strata manager and then e-mailed to all EC

                 

                 Please repair the following broken items without delay as it severely affects my family’s security and safety.

                • Light bulbs missing in the entrance area

                • Garden light not working in the entrance path to the building some removed without owners approval

                • Front entrance doors no longer closing (reference: written request to ECM November 2011)

                • Front entrance doors all locks in operational or removed without owners approval (reference: written request to ECM November 2011)

                • Outside lights turned off after midnight with no physical means of turning on (reference: written request to ECM May 2011)

                 

                All items still to this day not actioned

                 

                Finally on the question of joining the EC the strata manager stated he would resign if I was elected hens not elected and he arranged that by stating it was agreed to have one member less than nominated hence only five were elected.

                 

                Regarding fire safety is only residential and registered 1971

                But the council is making noise but no information has been passed down to the owners and as always not on the publish agenda as anything other than info distributed separately to the EC

                in reply to: Strata Manager misconduct #20821
                leif
                Flatchatter

                  The way I read the LAW

                  All attending the strata meeting can make their own minutes

                  Legally voice recordings can be used in this type of meetings to make the written minute

                  Unless specifically stated and accordingly if you mentioned it they will vote to forbidding you

                  But if not mentioned recording is ok

                  I understand that is how several secretaries make minutes

                  in reply to: Child Window Safety locks #20820
                  leif
                  Flatchatter

                    Refer

                    (First Print)

                    Strata Schemes Management Amendment (Child Window Safety Device) Bill 2013

                    Explanatory note

                    B2013-128-07.d08

                    Schedule 1 [7] …….after 13 March 2018

                    But who knows

                    in reply to: Private property not private? #20326
                    leif
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                      Sorry about rambling put the point still seems lost

                      Common property that is open for public access does not have to comply with current safety standards, only as built, if registered as a domestic dwelling, with no changes to construction or usage, the question was who then is responsible for safety.

                       

                      With the current news about schoolies on the roofs in the gold coast dangling over the edge and taking pictures.

                      Must have been approved when built or a building approval would not have been given.

                       

                      Not morally but legally who then is responsible for safety.

                       

                      I thought I knew but was looking for independent advice.

                       

                      Owners Corporation

                       

                      Sometimes it is not sufficient to read all the relevant law but also Judges view.

                       

                      Is this the answer?

                      NSW Court (Tobias JA’s) judgment is significant; he held that just because the property complied with building standards at the time the building was built, and even though the new standards did not apply retrospectively, an owners corporation could still be in breach of s 62 for failing to update the common property.

                       

                      The alternative would be it is ok for the public to access but a trades person cannot access under NSW WorkCover?

                       

                      Unless proven the Owners Corporation will not justify the cost of enhancing the common property by either preventing access or increasing railing height, any warning sign will only be admitting to knowledge about the unsafe condition.

                       

                      From memory railing height for free fall of more than 2m:

                      Current as built 88cm measured

                      WorkCover 90cm

                      Current NSW requirement 100cm

                      Children’s hospital recommended 120cm (Seems no longer stated in new info)

                      in reply to: Removal of trees on common property #20147
                      leif
                      Flatchatter

                        It is the question who decides if removing a current feature is improving or enhancing the common property the feature may have different impact on different lots a tree may not give a privacy or sound blocking of passing cars for all lots and some owners may even think a tree is an unwanted maintenance cost.

                        Clearly any action other than maintenance must be under an owner’s resolution.

                        In our council area trees over a given size requires council approval for all actions and maybe it is neglect in the first instance of the owner’s corporation in allowing the tree to grow to that size?

                        in reply to: The sale of common property #20033
                        leif
                        Flatchatter

                          If the Act (S65B) does state that a special resolution can give exclusive access to common property then the majority (75%) can make all common property out of bound for the minority and in new dwellings that would include but not limited to:

                          • Stairwells
                          • Balconies
                          • Garden
                          • Driveways
                          • Visitor parking’s
                          • Entrance area
                          • Lifts, Elevators

                           

                          This could lead to preventing access in or out of a lot!

                           

                          Or does the word MAY have implied limitations set out in other sections or laws?

                          in reply to: Who repairs stairs to one unit? #19967
                          leif
                          Flatchatter

                            Hi Ferris

                            I am not an expert but the advice given to me was from one.

                             

                            At the time the significant information was the original Strata Titles ACT No 68 1973

                             

                            I think this was the section referred to:

                             

                            58

                             

                            (9) The proprietor for the time being of a lot in respect of which a by-law referred to in subsection (7) is in force—

                             

                            (b) is, unless excused by the by-law, responsible for the performance of the duty of the body corporate under section 68 (1) (b) (i) in respect of the common property, or the part of the common property, to which the by-law relates.

                             

                             

                            The change occurred in the Strata Titles ACT No 147 1987 Act

                             

                            SCHEDULE 1—AMENDMENTS TO THE STRATA TITLES ACT 1973

                            CONCERNING INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES IN RELATION TO COMMON PROPERTY

                             

                             

                            But as in all cases if there is a dispute of significant costs get professional advice some that replies on this web are but I am not.

                             

                            I had the same concerns as you after reading this tread before your entry and raised

                             

                            – See more at: http://www.flatchat.com.au/forum/common-property/old-but-current-versus-new-responsibilities/#p10230

                             

                            That does not answer your question but should help

                            in reply to: Who repairs stairs to one unit? #19947
                            leif
                            Flatchatter

                              Just Get On With It

                              Seems to be right but there is one exception

                              Early Strata Acts stated exclusive usage did make the user responsible for maintenance without statement in the by-law, it is only new by-laws that states who is responsible

                              I can’t recall the year of the change but I think it was in or after 1975

                              Early by-laws for exclusive….user responsible without any statement

                              Later by-laws for exclusive ….states who is responsible

                              in reply to: Access to balcony? #19497
                              leif
                              Flatchatter

                                Two things

                                First

                                AS long as the site mixes professional comments with public comments unless you know treat them all as public comments.

                                 

                                Second

                                The NSW law is clear you cannot enter a private property without permission, the strata act intention is equally clear you can only enter to maintain common property that is accessible from inside the lot.

                                 

                                65 Can an owners corporation enter property in order to carry out work?

                                 

                                As the work is not carried out or need access from inside the lot no entry is allowed.

                                Or in plain English he is not entering to carry out work in the lot or from inside the lot

                                The fact that the easiest access to the location is through the lot is irrelevant especially as there are other options.

                                 

                                Can the gardener with the lawn mower walk through the ground floor lot as it is easier than walking round the lot as after all he is going to maintain common property?

                                 

                                Common sense should as well be applicable like the difference between changing one or two tiles too totally re tiling a large area

                                in reply to: Access to balcony? #19492
                                leif
                                Flatchatter

                                  I believe not, as all they are asking for is to go through your lot to access common property on the other side of your lot that is accessible from the other side, you may have exclusive use to the common property but it is outside your lot not inside and is accessible from the other side.

                                  As an owner you are paying your share of the cost hence allowing them access would save you ….but no one can force you to let them have an easier access by going through your lot.

                                  What are next? are they going to paint the outside of the building through your windows to save on scaffolding?

                                  We all on this site have opinions do not trust anyone seek qualified advice if you do not want them walking through your lot.

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