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When we asked our Council if they have a specific form to be completed by the Fire Safety Assessor we were told that the Council does not have a form and in any case does not demand compliance as they do not have the resources. We then heard about a Council that had just employed a “ compliance officer” and the first thing the officer did was require all Strata schemes in the area to submit their fire report. Those that didn’t have one were required to undertake a range of safety work which has cost them thousands. As a result we have booked our fire safety inspection. Interestingly, the Strata Manager did not know about this requirement.
Thanks Jimmy, you are right. We have been down this road before and I know that we need legal advice. Our last meeting of the Strata Committee has determined that the Chairman and Secretary consult a lawyer to see what the process for legal involvement might be and Report cost of same back to SC before action is taken. Hopefully we will get it resolved soon. Thanks so much for the many issues you have advised us on. It is really appreciated.
Thank you all. These tips have really helped. We have a broad range of skills on our Committee so it seems we are well placed for self management. I’ll investigate Stratabox.com.au and then discuss with the committee. Thanks again
As an owner who has had to tolerate the bullying of the developer ( and still does) of our 14 unit Strata plan in NSW you have my sincere sympathy. Even though in the SSMA 2015 it implies that the initial period requires the developer to be the Chair, Secretary and Treasurer of the Owners Corporation, our developer did not operate in compliance with the Act.
By the time we had the first AGM some years after we had moved in , he had kept all our levies, no bank account for the Strata Scheme existed and our new committee started the year with no money at all. We are still trying to catch up and have just had our 2nd AGM.
The developer is still bullying the other owners with almost weekly threats of taking us to court for anything and everything and after all this time we still cannot get our By Laws passed because he holds more than 25% of the lot entitlements and so votes against the special resolution that is required.
Hence we have only the 8 By Laws that he registered with the Strata Plan and these all favour his apartment. He still holds 39% of the lot entitlements and will do until he has sold more units.
He has already advised that he will keep the units that will give him 27% of the lot entitlements so that we will never be able to get our By laws passed. So after all that, I absolutely agree with Jimmy, get the lawyer ( we couldn’t afford one) and get your developer sorted as soon as you can. They can make your life a misery and unfortunately if they are bullies they even frighten the Strata managers.
If we had our time over again we would have gone to NCAT at the beginning to get a Strata Manager appointed by the Tribunal due to the OC being “ dysfunctional “ .
Thank you scotlandx. So if a special resolution is required there must be 75% or more of the votes in favour but in just a poll vote it can be the majority of unit entitlements in favour. Is this correct?
You wouldn’t install any equipment or appliances on property that is not your own so the same goes for installing it on common property as that is owned by all owners not just one. I think I would be requesting the owner , through the rental agency, to sign a document accepting full responsibility for any damage the HWS does to the common property as well as for their own HWS ( after discussing this at the SC and then the OC of course). It seems that you also need to speak to your Strata Manager perhaps requiring that any unusual costs be discussed with the treasurer before payment is made.
@JimmyT said:
If you now have the required 75 per cent vote, you only need to rescind registered by-laws.In any case, my understanding is that the current model by-laws apply by default in any cases where there is no specific by-law covering that particular issue.
For instance, if you had no by-law governing the parking of cars on common property, then the Schedule 3, By-law 1 would apply.
If you don’t have the votes to rescind and replace the by-laws I would ask your strata manager about seeking a orders under Section 148 of the Act to rescind the original by-laws and replace them with the model by-laws.
Thank you Jimmy. We will give this a go.
It can be very frustrating to read about residents in a Strata Scheme who don’t want to be on the Strata Committee, don’t usually attend meetings of either the Strata Committee ( to observe some of the issues they deal with) or the Owners Corporation ( when they see the Agenda and do not have an interest in the motions ) but then make a big issue if that same Strata Committee makes a decision that they don’t agree with. Suddenly the issues of the Strata Committee should be an issue for the Owners Corporation. No. You can’t elect a Committee and expect them to do all the work, and then when you don’t like what they decide, suddenly decide that that particular issue must go to the Owners Corporation.
So in my humble opinion you can’t have it both ways . Either leave the Strata Committee to act on behalf of all owners and that means that sometimes you may not agree with their decisions but accept that they had the right to make them, or stand for election to the Strata Committee and influence what issues they should deal with and what issues you can propose should be taken to the Owners Corporation.
Absolutely agree with Cosmo. We have had lots of issues in our small 14 unit Strata Scheme and after living here for two years we eventually had our first AGM. Prior to that meeting we invited all the other owners to “afternoon tea” and basically reached agreements on who was prepared to go onto the Strata Committee , who would nominate each one and who would take on roles of the chair, secretary and treasurer. By the time the meeting was held it was all sorted and the bully in our midst was out manouvred. He nominated himself at the meeting and was elected because we felt it was better to have him on the SC than have him cause problems from outside.
With our first Annual General Meeting coming up in the next 2 months I have a number of questions to ask and hope Jimmy ( or another experienced Strata person) can answer them.
1. Can we invite a solicitor experienced in Strata to attend the AGM with us ?
2. If they are able to attend, are they allowed to participate in the meeting?
3. If they can participate, are there any restrictions on what they say or do?
4. We may have a very close relatives funeral to attend in Qld sometime during this period, and whilst we are hoping it won’t be at the time of the AGM, if we were away, could the solicitor attend to represent us and hold our proxy?
5. If the solicitor is allowed to attend, how should we respond if the developer tries to prevent the attendance?
The assistance received from this column has been outstanding and we are very grateful for all the help given.
At last the 5th Apartment in our 14 Lot Strata Scheme has been sold ( with, we have been told, a requirement in the contract that the developer holds the proxy). This means that our first AGM will be held within the next two months. In the meantime, the developer/ original owner has leased one other apartment to a long term tenant , and has been installing washing machines and dryers in the other 6 so he can rent them to holiday let’s.
We bought into this Strata Scheme because we were told by the developer that it was for older residents or those residents who have disabilities.
Is there a difference in the development requirements for long term residential Strata units and short term.?
Lady Penelope, yes that is right, only one more sale will allow us to have an AGM and form the OC and SC. we have heard on the grapevine that one and maybe two are entering contracts of sale and if this proves correct I think our problems might be over. We now have to hope that the D doesn’t get elected to the SC as we would just end up with more problems. We have our fingers crossed. Thanks for your help.
Thank you Lady Penelope. I’m not sure whether we could have come through all this unscathed had I not found Jimmy’s column in the SMH and subsequently then his web site. Without Flat Chat we would have had no idea what to do. Jimmy T has been incredibly supportive and very very generous with his time in providing information and advocacy on our behalf and we can never show just how grateful we are. The Office of Fair Trading should be providing an annual fee to Flat Chat for the wonderful advice provided. Thank you also for your time and advice.
Just for interest , we and the first purchaser had sub meters installed in our apartments to measure the mains water we use. We have photographed our meter at the end of each month for the past 8 months as has the first purchaser. We have used 24 kLs in the 8 months and she has used 10 kLs. A big difference to the 10 kLs per month that the last two purchasers are required to pay.
Thanks Lady Penelope. When we purchased our lot ( completed apartment) there was no agreement for levies and we were told verbally ( I know, I know) that the levies would be set once 40% of apartments were sold. The developer told us that he was happy to meet the costs in the meantime. We moved in in July 2015 and there was one other person who had purchased in April that year. In January 2016 we asked to meet with the Developer who was advertising the apartments for sale. We talked about the costs of maintaining the complex ( two stories with shared security garage on ground floor with apartments on 1st and 2nd floors. ) in this discussion, not a formal meeting, no agenda or minutes, we agreed to make a contribution to the upkeep of the complex and the developer then advised us that he would be happy if we paid $2400 plus our LE % of the annual insurance . We had a gentlemans agreement on this but as we know know gentlemans agreements only work if it is between gentlemen or gentlewomen. We paid the levy for that first quarter of 2016 and 7% of the annual insurance in January 2016. There is no signed agreement .
In April that year the developer was billed nearly $3000 for water use in that quarter. He then told us we were to pay 1/3 of this as the 3 of us, ourselves, the other owner, and the developer were the only ones living here. We paid 7% of this to him. The water had been used for watering of lawns and cleaning common property, which the developer denied , but has subsequently been proven.
The developer set the levy for the first two purchasers at $600 per quarter plus LE % of annual. insurance cost . The next 2 purchasers have had their levy set at $675 per quarter plus 120 kLs of water per year ( 40 kLs per quarter) despite one LE being 7% and the other 6%.
There is no signed agreement .
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