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    waylor
    Flatchatter

      Our 27 lot, 7 level apartments has owner renters approx 50/50. At our last AGM the owners retrospectively approved – by simple majority – the removal of approximately 150 bricks in each of two apartments from common property walls which separate adjoining lots.

      The OC decision was caused – in my opinion – by gross misuse of power and authority by the chairman and Secretary of the committee, and owner complacency. Having gone through discussions and Fair Trading I have arrived to NCAT hearings and the problem!

      Under section 132  the action must be from the owners corporation. Not a lot owner v lot owners. I have struggled with this for two years and now an NCAT member has raised this problem. I won’t give up BUT I am unable to find a precedent for the misdemeanour or how to have NCAT circumnavigate the Section rule.

      A long way around may be to have our Strata Managers call for a reversal of the retrospective approval on the basis that it should have been a special resolution. Trying to convince our owners of the magnitude of the illegal work is going to be a problem. I see the owners as temporary custodians of this 1970’s building which will have many new owners over the next 100 years. Any ideas?

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      Jimmy-T
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        The NCAT member is right. Section 132 could not be much clearer. It says up front: “The Tribunal may, on application by an owners corporation for a strata scheme …”

        If you were advised to follow this line by a lawyer then they have an obligation to fix it.  If you didn’t use a lawyer, then maybe you should now.

        If it were me (and I’m not a lawyer) I would start a new proceeding under Section 232 seeking orders that the Owners Corp either create a proper by-law (which passes ongoing responsibility to the individual lot owners) or requires them to reinstate the walls.

        Ironically, the OC might have to use 132 to achieve the latter. I think it’s important to pursue this as it is about the fabric of the building.  I would worry, however that it may be timed out, so you may have to move quickly.

        In the meantime you might prepare a motion for your next committee meeting that the permission given for the work was incompetent.  In that case, the committee should take appropriate action, on behalf of the owners corporation, to require the lot owners to either reinstate the walls or agree to a by-law that would see them take responsibility for any deterioration of common property due to the work they have done.

        If the committee rejects the motion, that would trigger section 232.

        As an aside,  your actions should be framed as protecting the building rather than trying to punish owners who have taken advantage of their positions. The former has a solid legal basis, the latter is more likely to be viewed by external adjudicators as a petty internal squabble.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #60512
        waylor
        Flatchatter
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          Appreciated your comments. For the first NCAT hearing I had aimed up at the OC’s unsatisfactory retro approval and the senior member listened and allowed the perpetrator to be included in my claims. Second hearing and a different member! Circumstance has now given the respondents more time for response which will have scant regard for the property. No, I have not gone down the lawyer road. I am batting for the OC yet it is they who, through the Chair – no meetings for authority – have lawyer-ed up to oppose my claims. I have tried not to get personal at all and this may have been my biggest mistake. I am almost certain the details of this have not gone outside of the (3) SC and two of them may not know the real situation. I would dearly like to see NCAT arrive at correct decisions but I am not going into debt for it.

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          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            No, I have not gone down the lawyer road. I am batting for the OC yet it is they who, through the Chair – no meetings for authority – have lawyer-ed up to oppose my claims. I have tried not to get personal at all and this may have been my biggest mistake. I am almost certain the details of this have not gone outside of the (3) SC and two of them may not know the real situation.

            It strikes me that if you were to inform other owners that they are paying lawyer bills to defend an illegal change to common property that benefits only the two owners who organised it, and leaves all the other owners liable for any future problems with the building, they might wake up and support you.

            People respond to the hip pocket nerve being tweaked.  Tell the other owners to demand that the hole-in-the-wall gang don’t use OC money to defend their illegal renos.

            And then persuade them to either instruct the lot owners to restore the damages walls or pay for a by-law taking responsibility for the changes they have made.

            In a building near us, a couple of owners had persuaded the committee that they should be allowed to build an enclosed room on their terrace, with zero consideration for the people immediately above.

            It was on the point of being approved by a EGM with the chair’s tacit support when the affected neighbours did a leaflet drop.  The other owners in the building reacted so strongly that the plan was withdrawn before the meeting.

            Asking reasonable people to behave reasonably isn’t so hard.  All you need is the signatures of 25 per cent of owners to call a general meeting.  That meeting will have two items on the agenda.  Stop the legal action and demand a by-law or restoration of common property.

            You might also consult our sponsors Strata Answers for their (paid) advice on how to proceed. Perhaps you can get a future, renovator-free committee to refund you the relatively modest cost.

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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