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    I am living in a small strata complex of 9 units.  I am exploring if it is possible to run the complex by ourselves (9 owners) without getting the help of a strata manager in order to save money.  One of us has education background up to university level, has the confidence to run, and can afford the time as she is a full time housewife.

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  • #26683
    Jimmy-T
    Keymaster

      More than half the strata schemes in NSW are self-managed.  Just arm yourselves with the available literature and find out what your obligations are regarding meetings etc.

      The Strata Community Australia free online course for strata committees is offline at the moment while they bring it up to speed with the new strata laws that came in last year.  But it should be back soon.

      This page on this website has links to lots of valuable information, including the Strata Act and Regulations and there’s plenty of other information you can use.

      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
      #26684
      Cosmo
      Flatchatter

        Hi Victor, our small strata has self managed for a while now.  The difference between self managing and a manager is all administrative.  

        My tips:

        Make your bank accounts fully accessible on line.  Ours is set up so all owners can see the accounts and transfer money in but to pay out a ‘two person’ authorization is necessary. We have one owner who doesn’t have a computer but the necessary adjustments can easily be made.

        Get all owner’s email addresses.  All notifications and information can be done this way.  Email is especially handy to notify of levys due and overdue.  

        It is probably necessary to have a bit of spreadsheet expertise for the 10 year plan that is required.  A plan has to be done every 5 years.

        Use google as I have found a lot of great authorities discussing how to do things.

         

        It is gratifying to see money that would otherwise go to paperwork go into repairs and infrastructure. 

        #26721

        I am in favour of self management for a strata plan such as ours – a house which is divided into two apartments with equal shares. After several recent unhappy experiences with our strata manager, we are going to self manage.  We went to the bank yesterday to open our account, and the teller was unable to open it, and wasn’t sure what documentation was needed.

        We gave her the Strata Plan Number and Address; the ABN and our Strata Roll.  She is going to find out next week what else is needed, but in the meantime, trusting the Flat Chat Forum – could you please help with this? What else does the bank need? And, as a two lot plan, do we need separate accounts for Sinking and Admin, or one account but separate book-keeping? 

        thanks in advance,

        Leanne

        #26728

        Hi,

        I am new to this forum and was going to post something about self managed community title corporations.  I have been living in my property, owner occupier, for over 12 months and the members have majority voted to be self managed of an 8 lot development.

        However this experience is not a happy one. The person who put themselves up as the Chair really has no idea about good governance and enforcing by laws.  In the short 12 months we have all lived here one of the residents has ruined part of the common driveway and their driveway by parking an old bomb on common property that has dropped a considerable amount of oil and rust on the concrete.  The chair refuses to write to this lot holder from the corporation to enforce the by law about not damaging the common property and looking after the lots and advising that they have to clean it up.  Additionally all the landscaping that was in place, with the exception of 3 lots has been left to die, leaving dirt and weeds.  We have also got a stormwater overflow pump that the corporation must look after but already we have had to engage (at cost) technicians to fix the pump due to 1) lack of pro active maintenance in clearing leaves that fall into the drain and 2) lack of knowledge about how it works.  Also the developer should have installed a light warning system for when the pump failed, but didn’t.  However, this apathetic lot don’t want to chase him for it despite it being part of the development approval.  They do not see the need to get a sinking fund going and the minutes from the couple of meetings look like they have been written by a child (e.g. ‘everyone said hello, we asked if there was anything anyone wanted to discuss and as there wasn’t we got down to business’.  Oh but there was actually no business discussed.  The items I raised were not put on the agenda and when I tried to raise them, everyone just had side conversations and the chair wrapped up the meeting!! 

        There’s other issues like parking/blocking easy access and egress and speeding. I have been told that this group want to keep it casual and friendly and will not be doing anything ‘formal’.  Believe me I have written a very logical/issues based document that links to relevant legislation and by laws, I have tried persuading that if lots are allowed to degrade and governance not administered property, that our investment values are at risk.  But to no avail.  Out of interest I got an agent along to value my property and she said that due to the degraded appearance, she would value it a few thousand less than if it looked cared for.  Also the chair does not actually live there and rents the property to a family member.  There is another one that is rented, also within the family.  So there isn’t even a profesional real estate agent managing the rental properties. 

        I am considering heading down the legal path.  I continue to build the case. Any advice would be welcome.  Tearing my hair out. 

        #26729
        Lady Penelope
        Strataguru

          ShelleyB – I have read that self management is not suitable for schemes larger than 4 or 5 Lots, but preferably only 2 Lots. Yours has 8 Lots.

          Jimmy T has written extensively on the topic of self management. See here for an example: http://www.flatchat.com.au/diy-strata-half-dont-managers/

          If your SC is not complying with the following essential elements then your OC should not be self managed.

          Here is an extract from https://www.strataman.com.au/diy.html

          “So, for DIY management you’ll specifically need to:

          • know what existing rules and regulations to follow AND KEEP UP WITH ANY CHANGES
          • learn all about insurances, fire safety and WorkHealth&Safety requirements
          • learn what other legal and legislative obligations you have
          • interpret and apply all new legislative and compliance requirements
          • set up and maintain the Records and Accounts required by legislation
          • know how to convene and run the mandatory meetings
          • produce and process financial statements and budgets
          • produce, issue and collect quarterly levies
          • know how to deal with tradespeople from a legislative as well as operational standpoint
          • put an appropriate preventative maintenance program in place for the scheme
          • keep the scheme’s insurances current and correct
          • ensure all the scheme’s bills are paid and on time
          • manage the scheme’s RISK environments for WorkHealth&Safety and Fire Safety
          • handle all owner disputes no matter what the problem

          Obviously, having to do all the above will require a fair amount of time and effort (as well as knowledge) and it’s definitely not a simple ‘one or two hours per week‘ job.”

          #26734
          Cosmo
          Flatchatter

            @mypersonalpa said:

            We gave her the Strata Plan Number and Address; the ABN and our Strata Roll.  She is going to find out next week what else is needed, but in the meantime, trusting the Flat Chat Forum – could you please help with this? What else does the bank need? And, as a two lot plan, do we need separate accounts for Sinking and Admin, or one account but separate book-keeping? 

            thanks in advance,

            Leanne  

            mypersonalpa, as for what the bank needs I can’t help you.  What they need now is a lot different the rules are a lot tighter.  However I am sure if this bank doesn’t help another might.  The banks are, to a degree, protecting themselves. 

            You don’t need separate Accounts for Sinking and Admin.  So separate book keeping is fine.  What the law requires is that the Sinking and Admin monies be “Accounted for separately”.  We have one account with $11,000 we know by keeping track of levys and payments that $6,000 is Sinking fund and $5,000 is Admin.  

            #26736
            Boronia
            Flatchatter

              The banks would probably also require the personal details of the signatories, same as they would for individual accounts.

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