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    SydneyCider
    Flatchatter

      Hi All,

      I received my first invoice from the new strata company(transferred from a previous strata company), with an arrears fee already on it saying i had not paid the last 2 invoices , even though this was their first invoice to me(from either company), and i never received any invoices in the post. I sent them an email saying that this is the first invoice, could they remove the fee, since the original postal email was never sent to me/my address. They strongly refused and said they had sent the original invoice, even if i didnt receive it,  so i have to pay the fee since its overdue. I paid this invoice immediately, minus the fee component.
      I really dont want to pay for the fee, when i am not at fault. (note that this all happened during the peak period of Covid when many services were not working at their optimum due to staff shortages- so i can only assume the first invlice was somehow lost in the process , by the issuing strata co or the postal system)
      The strata company person responsible would not even take a call or return a call , even to just discuss the matter. He only sent a very direct and uncompromising email
      What are my options (apart from paying an unfair Fee) to resolve this matter ..?
      Should i contact Owners Corp? Fair Trading ?
      note that i have always paid my prior invoices on time, and am based in NSW

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    • #61548
      Sujenna
      Flatchatter

        Well you have called their bluff already and paid the invoice minus the late fee imposed. What is the late fee anyway? some 10%? or $20 – $30? When my apartment purchase was settled eight years ago, the strata company imposed a late fee on me for levies some 3 months later, but they had never invoiced me as the new owner initially, so I had no idea of the levy notice being due. I wrote a covering letter to them advising them it was their fault for not mailing me the levy notice in advance, and I wasn’t paying the 10% penalty (or $13 charge) as I recall. I never heard anything more about it. For the strata company to take debt recovery proceedings over such a paltry amount as an overdue percentage would be ludicrous and simply not worth their time.  Most strata agencies have moved with the times these days and email the levy notice rather than use snail mail anyway. I suppose you could get narky with them if they want to pursue it and advise you will put forward a motion for another change of strata manager ( as a matter of principle) at the next AGM if they don’t back off. That reminds me, I have to draft a motion to propose a change of strata manager at my next AGM……….!!!!!

        #61552
        Flame Tree (Qld)
        Flatchatter

          Hi, just be careful that any unpaid portion of an account from the body corporate manager on behalf of your body corporate may make you ‘unfinancial’ and therefor not entitled to any levy discount for any on-time payments (if you have such a scheme in-place), and exclude you from voting at any forthcoming AGM meeting.

          #61582
          SydneyCider
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Thanks for the advice, its not a big amount of money, $70,  however its the principle of the matter. I would rather give this money to charity than have this middle aged crook take it.

            and I would pay $700 if i was truly at fault, and not blink, however, they are just taking advantage of the situation, even though i am (and all the owners) are paying their wages

            I will see what other suggestions people make before i make a decision/take action, and will let you know how it goes

            #61584
            scotlandx
            Strataguru

              You say you have always paid your levies on time, so you would know when the levies are due. I schedule my levy payments so I don’t have to think about levy notices. It may sound harsh but you have little ground to challenge the fee which I assume is interest, and does not go to the strata manager. If you don’t pay it you will be unfinancial.

              #61587
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                … than have this middle aged crook take it

                What does age have to do with anything?

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #61588
                kaindub
                Flatchatter

                  I’m sorry to say Sydney Cider that you don’t understand the strata law.

                  The levies are determined at the AGM and that is the only notice required by law. The meeting determines the quantum of the levies and when any instalments fall due. The usual practice in strata is for the treasurer to send a reminder notice to each lotbowner as the instalments become due.

                  The strata act also states that levies not paid more than one month late are charged a 10% per annum interest. This is not a charge the strata manager can waive.

                  If there are other late fees, they need to have been set up as a bylaw.

                  The only exception allowed under strata law is thst the OC can add the fees for collection of the debt. But this needs to have been passed at a general meeting.

                  Yep it’s tough when you get these surprises, but it seems to me the strata manager is just doing his duty.

                  #61600
                  Boronia
                  Flatchatter

                    Who would get this “late fee”, the OC or the agent? Wouldn’t you only be deemed “unfinancial” if you have not paid the levy and any interest accrued?

                    #61602
                    Jimmy-T
                    Keymaster

                      Who would get this “late fee”, the OC or the agent? Wouldn’t you only be deemed “unfinancial” if you have not paid the levy and any interest accrued?

                      The penalty interest goes to the owners corp admin fund.  The strata manager may subsequently charge reasonable costs for recovery of debts but that would end up back in their coffers, one way or another.

                      My understanding is that your bill is not “unpaid” until the 30 days following the date of the invoice have expired but once that has passed, the statutory interest accrues from the date of the invoice.

                      In the case of loss of voting rights, this occurs if the owner has unpaid levies when the meeting agenda is issues and doesn’t pay them before the meeting is held.

                      Many strata managers deem payment to have been received when the money is in their bank accounts, to avoid ugly scenes such as unfinancial owners turning up at an AGM with personal cheques and demanding the right to vote.

                      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                      #62103
                      SydneyCider
                      Flatchatter
                      Chat-starter

                        Hi All,

                        I thought I would give an update.

                        I finally had the issue resolved, and was credited back the arrears fee.

                        I basically had to go above and beyond the person I was dealing with, and put my case to someone that understood my concerns. The learning is that i finally was able to talk to a real person, rather than the limits of email, who understood i was genuine. So always important to get on the phone and talk to someone real .. or better F2F if thats possible.

                        Anyhows, I will donate the fee to my favourite charity.

                        Like i said before, it wasn’t about the money since not a big amount, ..more about being taken for a fool and being taken advantage of, cos its easier for them to do so.

                        thanks for every ones suggestion here, ive learned a lot from this forum 🙂

                        and Jimmy:

                        What does age have to do with anything?

                        Nothing. I’m the same also… but a lot different. I was just very frustrated at the time. 🙂

                         

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