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    egoode
    Flatchatter

      I’m about to move into a new build apartment block. I got to see the property for the first time yesterday and when I saw the storage cage to me it looks like it would be quite easy to break into as the mesh surrounding it looks like you just need some cheap cutters and they would be inside in seconds. The developers thought the security was fine as you need a fob to access the basement and also the door to the storage area but I know that it’s not that difficult for people to just follow someone else in and then have free range to all the storage cages so not really convinced the security is that good. What can I do to improve the security of the storage cage and deter any thieves. Are there maybe companies that help improve the security of these cages as I’m not a particularly good any DIYing. I’m based in Melbourne if you have any good companies to contact.

      I’m also aware you shouldn’t keep anything overly valuable in the storage cages and it will be mainly Christmas decorations and suitcases etc but I was thinking of using the storage cage to store my e-bike in it. I’m lucky it’s at the end of the row and has a solid wall on one side I figured I could attach something to the wall that I could then lock my bike to as the only bike storage the developer has supplied is at the back of the car space and I’m worried about hitting cars getting it in and out of that location.

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    • #65116
      Mailbox
      Flatchatter

        Where I live we have a similar set up and touch wood it hasn’t been an issue (possibly as  people don’t use these cages for anything of great value either).

        I have heard people getting a roof installed so people can’t go in over the top, so that could be something to consider and to discuss with the committee. Also, if you’re planning to install something onto the wall that’s probably common property and again something you should discuss with the committee.

        Probably the best thing is to find out what security cameras have been installed by the builders, does it cover the garage entrance / exits and is it signposted as that’s probably the best deterrent and follow up if something is stolen.

        #65126
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          I recall my son telling me that his expensive bike was stolen from his block of flats when the thief turned up with a battery powered angle grinder to access the pretty solid security cage and then remove the heavy duty lock with which the bike was tethered.  My point is, no security cage is impenetrable.

          Motion activated security cameras will make everyone’s storage more secure.  But your strata committee may feel that isn’t warranted by the level of threat. Home and contents insurance will mitigate against loss if the SC is proved wrong.

          Check and see how many thefts and break-ins there have been in the past. You may be installing security that you don’t need.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #65133
          egoode
          Flatchatter
          Chat-starter

            Thanks for the replies the inspection I did was the pre-purchase inspection to look for defects etc before it is handed over as it’s a new build and no one has moved in yet so no history to be able to look up about previous thefts but I know in this area there is a lot of thefts from apartment car parks and storage cages especially of bikes. The cages already have the same mesh wire on the roof which apparently was installed so the fire sprinklers don’t get blocked by people’s belongings. The car park/basements can only be accessed via a car lift or via elevator/fire stairs which all of those need a fob to access the levels so might not be as easy to access as other apartment carparks that have a roller door and ramp.

            I might just get a good padlock and not put anything I care too much about losing initially and just assess how it goes first. I could store my bike initially in my apartment but there’s limited space so not a great solution long term.

            #65141
            86_strata
            Flatchatter

              (Victoria)  My bike was stolen from my secure basement car park many years ago. It was secured with a rack dynabolted, and a U lock to the rack.  But the thief got around that with a crowbar. Cameras recorded footage, but the thief wasn’t found.  Thieves can break into anything.

              I have a tip though – itemise the most valuable contents in the cage on your contents insurance policy.  I had my bike listed as a specified item on my insurance policy.  Nevertheless, my contents insurer who shall remain nameless kicked up a big stink.  I had police reports, camera footage, emails from my strata manager.  Nevertheless they spent four months fighting me, saying first that the bike was on common property (which it wasn’t – my car park was on title) and then the strata manager wrote emails in support of me to the insurer, backing up my claim that it was on private property, I paid rates on that land, yada yada.  Then the insurer decided to try a different tack, claiming that the bike was stored away from my home.  That failed, as I said the land was rateable and I owned it.  Then a new approach – the underwriting department claimed there was no intention to cover a basement car park.  I just held my ground, said they took my premium and also allowed me to list the bike as a specified item.  And I said that what they intended was irrelevant if it wasn’t in the policy documents.  They gave up and then paid the claim.  Like they should have.  The only reason they paid the claim in the end, so they said, was that the bike was listed on the policy.  My lesson from this was I now list my valuables, especially those I think the insurer may push back on if a claim needed to be made.

              #65152
              Jimmy-T
              Keymaster

                My lesson from this was I now list my valuables, especially those I think the insurer may push back on if a claim needed to be made.

                You’d be surprised how many individual items of value you can list on your home and contents insurance without it affecting your premiums.  If you don’t have home and contents insurance then good luck with that.

                The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                #65154
                Austman
                Flatchatter

                  Make sure that the strata contents policy you select will actually cover storage cages.

                  Many strata contents insurers will specifically exclude storage cages.

                  If the policy has that exclusion, you’d not be able to claim.

                  #65166
                  egoode
                  Flatchatter
                  Chat-starter

                    Sorry to hear about your experience 86_strata. I’ve actually never had contents insurance in any of my previous properties and maybe I’ve just been lucky and haven’t had anything stolen but maybe it is something I need to look into or maybe there’s some specific bike insurance I can look into as that’s the main item I’m worried about.

                    #65174
                    Jimmy-T
                    Keymaster

                      Check th small print of your home and contents insurance.  Otherwise Google “bicycle insurance” – different insurers provide different levels of cover for different premiums.

                      The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                      #65178
                      86_strata
                      Flatchatter

                        maybe it is something I need to look into or maybe there’s some specific bike insurance I can look into as that’s the main item I’m worried about.

                        Contents insurance on its own isn’t too expensive.  Just make sure the policy covers a bike (make sure to list it) and ensure your policy covers the storage cage that is in the basement, in writing from the insurer. Then you should be good to go.  Note if you list something, then that deducts from your sum insured for everything else.  So if your sum insured is $30,000 and your bike is $1,000, and you list your bike, then the bike is covered for $1,000 and the rest of your contents is covered for $29,000, less the excess. Just something to be mindful of.  Best of luck!

                        #65198
                        egoode
                        Flatchatter
                        Chat-starter

                          Thanks for the information about insurance I’m not moving until October so have a bit of time investigate insurance options. Appreciate all your help.

                          #65230
                          StM@lo
                          Flatchatter

                            egoode

                            “I’m about to move into a new build apartment block.”

                            Jimmy-T

                            “Check and see how many thefts and break-ins there have been in the past. You may be installing security that you don’t need.”

                            WHO would you check with to see how many thefts and break-ins there have been in the past! Its disappointing that VERY few people report low value theft/break-ins to Strata Committee/Police. (maybe because they think its a waste of time/effort.) Report ANY security breaches/theft to your Strata Committee/Police,  Otherwise there will be nothing for anybody else to check in the future, OR for the Police to build a profile.

                             

                            #65233
                            Jimmy-T
                            Keymaster

                              Presumably it’s not in the middle of a desert.  I have spoken to police in an area where a friend was thinking of buying and was told, albeit unofficially, to avoid certain streets.  Building managers often quietly record any thefts and break-ins so they know if they need to beef up security without alarming the residents or potential occupants.

                              So, yes, report break-ins and thefts.

                              On the question of expensive bikes, they are very vulnerable and I know one block where to such machines disappeared from the bike room where they sat unlocked and unused for months.  There was not way of telling who took them or when (presumably during a move).  But simple security, like locking them to their racks, would probably have saved those bikes.

                              In my block, the only serious security breaches and major thefts occurred in the early days when the corrupt and incompetent building manager, employed by the developer, gave master keys to his staff.

                              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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