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    Marbles
    Flatchatter

      Our OC committee here in Victoria has received a request from a resident to install a charging post for his/her scooter in our underground car park. Do you or any of your followers had experience in managing this. Questions arise if the next person buys an electric car and wants an in-house charge station, the already installed owner wants to rent out use of his station. With the growing interest in electric people movers of all sorts, started blocks will have to face up how to handle the issue. Differing legislation in the States is not likely to help.  Any advice.

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    • #57811
      Sir Humphrey
      Strataguru

        Here is an article I wrote for the ACT branch of the Australian Electric Vehicle Association. https://www.aeva.asn.au/retrofitting-electric-vehicle-charging-in-strata-properties/ Some of the details are ACT-specific but many points are relevant anywhere. The WattBlock report referenced in this article has step by step guidelines and advice for retrofitting in strata properties.

        A key point is that what is the best solution for one OC is not necessarily best for another. One key concept to grasp is that people who don’t yet have EVs tend to think they need much faster charging than they really do. I routinely charge my car from an ordinary 10A power point and have been charging electric cars like that since 2009.

        Another key point is that it is possible to do a staged roll out. At first, a few people could charge from ordinary power points without overloading anything. At some point, there might be enough cars charging that their extra demand is a problem for the building’s maximum load capacity. The key thing to understand here is that the building’s electrical supply was designed to cope with the evening peak. Outside a few hours of late afternoon to early evening, there will be more than enough spare capacity to handle car charging. There are various systems that can be installed in due course to manage load sharing and to avoid exceeding the building’s peak demand. That only needs to be put in place once a higher proportion of residents have EVs. For the first few, low tech solutions will be fine.

        Owners will probably want user-pay. The best way to enable that is for each owner to have permission to run cabling back to their own meters. Then the OC does not have an extra admin burden. If that is not practical (eg. a unit’s distribution board might be many floors above the car), then a simple kWh counter in line with a power point might be enough.

        NB. The strict regulations about embedded networks for electricity supply to units do not apply when the supply is to vehicles because vehicles are not regarded as premises.

        This resource discusses EV charging more generally but includes a section on what ‘EV readiness’ looks like for new strata properties: https://electricvehiclecouncil.com.au/reports/local-government-resource-pack/

        Feel free to send me a personal message to set up a phone call if you would like to talk about EVs more and better understand what is and is not really needed and pros and cons of different ways to accommodate charging. I can speak from over a decade of experience with electric cars as well as being an executive committee member through much of that period.

        #57875
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          I’d just point out that some local councils in Queensland (and possibly elsewhere) won’t approve new apartment blocks unless they have charging ponts for mobility scooters.

          I also have to confess that I thought this question was about one of those trendy electric scooters we see around the city (or used to, before lockdown).  I now realise I am simply too hip for my own good.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #57878
          Sir Humphrey
          Strataguru

            … I also have to confess that I thought this question was about one of those trendy electric scooters we see around the city (or used to, before lockdown). I now realise I am simply too hip for my own good.

            I made the same assumption but I have never been accused of being hip.

            #57896
            Jimmy-T
            Keymaster

              On second thoughts, having sifted through pictures of all kinds of electric scooters, I wonder if we can get Marbles (the OP) to tell us what kind of scooter he’s talking about.

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              #57903
              Sir Humphrey
              Strataguru

                On second thoughts, having sifted through pictures of all kinds of electric scooters, I wonder if we can get Marbles (the OP) to tell us what kind of scooter he’s talking about.

                My impression of the original post was that the question was more about “How can we handle EVs in general that might come along later if we say yes to the scooter person?”  So, it doesn’t really matter what sort of scooter it is.

                #57934
                Marbles
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Our resident did not indicate what type of scooter. I am interested to know how to manage an expected demand some time the future when the need arises. Marbles.

                   

                  #57937
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    I am interested to know how to manage an expected demand some time the future when the need arises.

                    I think Sir Humphrey’s post above pretty much spells it out. If you want to know the specifics for your strata scheme, ask the owners what they want – they’re the ones who’ll be paying for it, after all (but it will also enhance the saleability of their properties in the future).

                    What you want to avoid is having to react to each request as and when it arises. Formulate a policy and then respond accordingly.

                    Here’s what to ask the owners – do they want:

                    1. No change – no cost?
                    2. Cabled power to their own meters – low cost (if feasible) but slow charging speeds,  exclusive access?
                    3. Metered power from common property power sources – low cost, slow charging speeds, exclusive access?
                    4. Three-phase power to their individual parking spots – higher cost, faster speeds, exclusive access?
                    5. Communal high-speed charging stations – moderate costs, faster speeds, shared access?

                    This is very much a user-pays consideration.  Owners will only get what they are prepared to pay for, individually and collectively.

                    For the latter two options you can install a system that diverts the power to where its most needed, avoiding overload and brown-outs during peak periods and sharing the power fairly between multiple charging points that are in use at the same time.

                     

                    The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                    #57940
                    Sir Humphrey
                    Strataguru

                      …Three-phase power to their individual parking spots – higher cost, faster speeds, exclusive access? …

                       

                      I would advise against a high powered, three phase supply to individual parking spots. Writing as someone who has been driving electric cars since 2009, I can tell you that people think they need high powered, faster charging before they get an electric car because they are still doing petrol-thinking. When you don’t need to go out of your way to fill up and spend many hours at home, you can quickly adjust to trickle charging top ups at home and find they are plenty. Hardly anyone needs high power charging.

                      I have access where I park to a single-phase 32A supply (7kW) but I can rarely be bothered to get my portable 7kW charge cord out of the car to use it. Instead I use the 10A (2.3kW) cord that I leave in our carport plugged into an ordinary power point ready to use. 10A can add about 200km of range overnight. [15A would add 300km. 7kW/32A single phase will fill any car overnight no matter how large or depleted the battery is. 3 phase is overkill for home charging.]

                      Marbles, if you would like to talk all this through by phone, you are welcome to send me a message via this site and then we could arrange a time to chat. Without talking, it is hard to know what level of understanding (or misunderstanding) the other person has. I could get a lot more technical or start a lot more basic. Depending on the details of your building, there are probably some options that can be crossed off the list pretty quickly, saving some potential for confusion.

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