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    glebegirl00
    Flatchatter

      Hi and thanks Jimmy. my questions relates to the strata roll and what is the law to require all owners details for viewing as an owner. The act (division 1 .. 178 states all names, address and email (if owner has one) be provided  on the roll. Ive viewed some schemes and all is there in a transparent manner.  Recently I viewed another property with hardly any information.. no address, just agent details. Not one email address . I’ve contacted the SM and told that its complete and cited “ privacy” as the reason for the lack of details. I understand the law ( solicitors) is often open for misinterpretation. Can anybody assist please

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    • #68889
      optusJo
      Flatchatter

        Did you pay to look at the strata roll?

        #68892
        glebegirl00
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          no I did ask but the SM advised me it was free for owners

          #68896
          TrulEConcerned
          Flatchatter

            Good morning Glebegirl100

            The law on this matter is clear.

            I had problems at two strata schemes with a committee and an agent denying me the right to view information in the possession of the owners corp – such as the roll – also citing “privacy”.

            After I told both of them that the privacy laws do NOT apply to such strata matters and that before I take them to mediation I urge them to call Fair Trading on 13 32 20 to acquaint themselves with the law, they dropped their opposition.

             

             

            #68908
            glebegirl00
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              thanks for your reply. My main concern is what is actually on the strata roll itself. are people familiar with all contact details on the roll, like some I’ve viewed. In answer to the privacy issue and open disclosure of all owners details  I mentioned FT and got the “ call them every day its a different story” and “ I prefer to do what the company solicitor tells me”  so yet again its  a brick wall . I feel that the strata act in itself is very broad and subject to interpretation and that feeds a certain group so ordinary owners who just want a simple life without legal costs struggle.

              #69011
              TrulEConcerned
              Flatchatter

                A few things come to mind, from being in a similar situation:

                1. The defects if any with the strata roll is primarily the responsibility of the owners’ corp. The strata manager is their “agent”, but that doesn’t mean he is absolved of liability;
                2. Most owners’ corp and strata managers ignore owners who ask questions which the former do not want answered or matters fixed. They think and hope that if they ignore, then the owner will simply vanish;
                3. I suggest you file for mediation with the Owners’ Corp. This is free and you can claim in your online application that you’re not getting the straight answers you deserve when you asked to access the records. You should state what you were told  about “privacy” and how you know it’s  not relevant to stratas. The Owners’ Corp don’t have to attend mediation and if they don’t you will be seen to have attempted mediation and can move to the  next step: the Tribunal.
                4. A complaint about a strata committee  can be done online and is considered as an “application for mediation” with the Owners’ Corp – go tohttps://www.nsw.gov.au/housing-and-construction/strata/disputes#domediation

                  scroll to and click on “online application form”

                  scroll to and click on Fair Trading Mediation Service

                5. Click on APPLY ONLINE
                6. You’ll see a long list of items you can select that best summarise your complaint. I suggest in the section “Issues relating to the management of the property” check the box “Exercise duties” . In the section “Can’t find the appropriate issue” check the box “other”;

                  If you hear nothing in 10 days after filing online, chase NSW Fair Trading up (on 13 32 20) to confirm they received your application. After you lodge it online you’ll get a reference number automatically sent to you. That is the reference number to use when chasing the matter up with Fair Trading.

                7. After you applied for mediation, you could tell the Owners’ Corp that you applied. But you don’t have to.  NSW FT will advise them after they processed your filing. Note it takes 2 weeks or so after you file to be contacted by FT and then the mediation may be 2 months away. So the sooner you file the better.
                #69032
                glebegirl00
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  Thanks again for your comments. I don’t think I made my initial post clear enough. I have viewed the strata roll in the SM office. My question was “ exactly what should be registered on this document? “

                  The roll i viewed had no details other than when the lot was purchased, name of owner but no contact details eg address, phone number, email etc etc. I understood from my reading of the Act owners must provide all details including email address if they have one.

                  I asked the SM and the response was “ we take advice from ….. …… lawyers!  I have applied for mediation because I’m not satisfied with either the OC or the SM regarding their responsibilities

                   

                  #69036
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    The advice provided by the lawyers should be part of the records of the scheme so, if you are an owner, you are entitled to see it.  If they say it was verbal, then you are definitely entitled to challenge it. Mediation is definitely the way to go.

                    By the way, I can’t believe that any competent strata lawyer would advise strata managers to ignore the law, which states that all owners in a scheme are entitled to so I would take this second-hand advice with a large pinch of salt.

                    That said, I’m not sure if you are an owner in the scheme to which you are referring.  If not, different criteria apply.

                    The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                    #69054
                    WillC
                    Flatchatter

                      WiliamC-NSW

                      We had problems with various Strata Managers and prospective Strata Managers. Mostly it was the ‘privacy’ arguments.

                      To try and overcome the problem we inserted a PREAMBLE in the registered By-laws. This referred to name and address; mail or email address, agents name and contact details; tenants details etc.

                      We also included the statement “This Owners Corporation requires that when there is a Strata Manager then that Strata Manager holds and maintains the original strata role and provides an updated copy thereof to the Strata Committee if any changes are made and as they occur.”

                      Since being in the By-Laws, we have ensured we have the details.

                      #69112
                      tina
                      Flatchatter

                        thanks for your reply. My main concern is what is actually on the strata roll itself. are people familiar with all contact details on the roll, like some I’ve viewed. In answer to the privacy issue and open disclosure of all owners details I mentioned FT and got the “ call them every day its a different story” and “ I prefer to do what the company solicitor tells me” so yet again its a brick wall . I feel that the strata act in itself is very broad and subject to interpretation and that feeds a certain group so ordinary owners who just want a simple life without legal costs struggle.

                        You’re right. “an address for service of notices” is specified in the Strata Schemes Management Act 2015 (NSW).

                        Your strata manager is being arrogant. There is no need to refer to a solicitor or Fair Trading. From what you’ve told us, the strata manager is counting on your ignorance. I suggest you show them Section 178, paragraph (1) of the Strata Schemes Management Act 2015 (NSW) and offer to arrange mediation at Fair Trading if they don’t agree.

                        To answer your question of “what should be on the strata roll?” you already found it in Section 178, paragraph (1) of the Strata Schemes Management Act 2015 (NSW).

                        My brother is a solicitor. He told me to look up everything I need to know about strata in the Strata Schemes Management Act 2015 (NSW). He also advised me not to trust what is written on web sites about strata. Always refer to the Act. If the dispute goes to NCAT, the NCAT member will only refer to the Strata Schemes Management Act 2015 (NSW). You can’t use the Fair Trading web site as evidence.

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