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  • #77961
    bergamot
    Flatchatter

      I have owned my apartment for over 20 years and we have never had a by law to allow air conditioning units to be installed onto balconies until a few months ago, following the owner above me applying for permission to have one installed for his tenant.

      I now have water dripping onto the edge of my balcony all day from the outflow pipe in the unit above me. Further, as my living room looks out to the balcony, I see the water dripping all day. I used to have a wonderful view and this would have to be the main aspect of my tiny apartment,  but now all I see is the run off … dripping….drip, drip, drip.

      I have read through the by law and saw this:
      (e) must ensure that the air-conditioner does not expel any effluent or exhaust in such a way as to cause discomfort or inconvenience to an Owner or Occupier of a Lot in the strata scheme or any person lawfully using the common property or to cause damage to the common property, including any plants, garden or lawn;
      At our AGM last year I voiced my concern against creating a by law to allow air conditioners to be installed because of environmental reasons and potential noise issues as our apartments are very close together.  This was very contentious and I was out-voted.

      Any advice on how to deal with the dripping run off without getting into a battle with the EC?

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    • #77976
      David Ng
      Flatchatter

        Have you spoken to the owner above asking them if they can install a hose to divert the water?

        Or speak with the OC committee and given them a written request to ensure compliance with the cited by-law by a specific date. And ask them to forbid the use of the AC until the problem is rectified.

        #77988
        bergamot
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks for your reply.

          The air conditioner upstairs must have  a pipe which has been put into the balcony overflow pipe.

          On each side of the balcony apartment in our building there is an overflow pipe which allow water drainage.

          The executive committee would have seen the installation plans and given this approval.

          I don’t know who the owner is, but I spoke to the tenant in the unit about my concerns a week ago and asked her if there was another way the water from the condenser could be expelled, for instance, into a tray that could then be emptied once a day. She said she would contact the real estate agent to discuss, but I’ve heard nothing, which says to me that this method of getting rid of the water has been approved by the executive committee.

          Unfortunately, I am not on good terms with the executive committee as I don’t agree with a lot of what they are doing. I am worried about getting into a dispute with them over this as they do what they want and minimise others’ concerns – hence my doing some research and asking opinions before I take it further, as it feel it is going to be stressful dealing with them.

          Thanks for your help.

           

          #77991
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            Any advice on how to deal with the dripping run off without getting into a battle with the EC?

            You only need to get into a battle with the EC if they refuse to do anything.  A polite letter asking them to issue a notice to comply with the quoted section of the by-law, or explain their decision not to do so, might do the trick.

            If they refuse to take action, you might remind them that they have a duty to enforce by-laws and that failure to do so can lead to action under section 232(2) of the strata Act.

            This is not an unreasonable request so if there is to be conflict, that’s their choice and can be resolved through NCAT if they want to go down that road.

            Otherwise, perhaps you could have a quiet word with your strata manager and ask them to issue the Notice to Comply – which they are empowered to do.  The run-off pipe is there to allow water to escape when the balcony is flooded – it’s not there to provide a permanent escape for dripping water.

             

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #78073
            bergamot
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Thanks for your replies.

              Jimmy, the point below you made is very interesting:

              The run-off pipe is there to allow water to escape when the balcony is flooded – it’s not there to provide a permanent escape for dripping water.

              An air con technician has been to the unit upstairs and extended the pipe so it doesn’t drip onto my balcony, but the balcony run off pipe is still being used to dispel the water, so I still see water dripping when I look out on my balcony.

              I have been told the EC has given permission for this, but I don’t think this has been thought through, as I’ve been told the condenser pipe could have been positioned so as to drip into a pot plant on the tenant’s balcony, however this would require moving the condenser.

              #78330
              bergamot
              Flatchatter
              Chat-starter

                Still haven’t solved this.

                I contacted the strata manager and asked for a solution, but now I feel I need to get some legislation to point out that it is NOT acceptable to have this constant effluent running past my balcony.

                I have found some legislation from the Victorian Building Association

                “Where the condensing unit is mounted on the balcony of an apartment building and the discharge from the defrost cycle is likely to cause a nuisance, a drain safe tray shall be provided to collect the removed ice build-up on the outdoor coil. It is not acceptable to discharge the water over the edge of the balcony”.  (Victorian Building Authority, 2020, p.6).

                I am trying to find the equivalent in NSW legislation, but have heen unable to do so thus for.

                I have been searching the National Construction Code (NCC), but can’t find anything about air con drainage on apartment balconies;

                Can anyone advise?

                Thanks

                 

                #78334
                chesswood
                Flatchatter

                  You may find that your local council has a policy that airconditioners must not drip water like that. Call them and ask.

                  #78336
                  Jimmy-T
                  Keymaster

                    There is a slight but nonetheless real health risk, in the form of Legionnaires Disease, from water dripping from air conditioners.  See this link from the Mayo Clinic in the USA.

                    The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                    #78339
                    bergamot
                    Flatchatter
                    Chat-starter

                      Thanks for all your ideas.

                       

                      #78364
                      kaindub
                      Flatchatter

                        Hi JT

                        always find the information here informative, but please read your sources.

                        The Mayo clinic article you referenced specifically says that there is no risk from domestic air conditioners of Legionaires disease.

                        Legionaires is associated with commercial air conditioning systems that use water to cool the chillers. The warm water provides a breeding ground for bacteria.

                        The condensate from a domestic air conditioner is no warmer than ambient air. In fact it’s cooler. ( read about dew points) It’s no worse than breathing in the air around you.

                        #78371
                        Jimmy-T
                        Keymaster

                          The Mayo clinic article you referenced specifically says that there is no risk from domestic air conditioners of Legionaires disease.

                          Errr, no, it doesn’t.  It says

                          Although it’s possible to get Legionnaires’ disease from home plumbing, most outbreaks have occurred in large buildings, perhaps because complex systems allow the bacteria to grow and spread more easily. Also, home and car air conditioning units don’t use water for cooling.

                          It doesn’t “specifically” say there is no risk from domestic air-conditioning. It says it’s highly unlikely, partly because water is not used to cool the air. But there is water present in this instance (the whole point, really).

                          I said the risk is slight but real.  I should probably have said there’s very, very little risk, but the Mayo article doesn’t “specifically” say there’s no risk.

                          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
                          #78470
                          bergamot
                          Flatchatter
                          Chat-starter

                            Hi all,

                            I’ve now been in contact with NSW Fair Trading asking for legislation/regulations os I can go back to the strata manager with something concrete.  Unfortunately no luck so far with them so I have contacted the council.  I have made several phone calls and emails now to the health and building section, but so far have nothing concrete.

                            I am going round in circles and starting to wonder if I am ever going to get a resolution!

                            I have just contacted the strata manager and asked him to issue a notice to comply, but whether this happens or not, remains to be seen.

                            Thanks for all your input.

                             

                            #78476
                            Jimmy-T
                            Keymaster

                              At the risk of seeming heartless, it feels like you are expecting someone else to fight your battles for you. But there are no stratakops – it doesn’t work like that,

                              Establish your legitimate grounds for complaint and then seek mediation at Fair Trading with a view to taking action (against the  upstairs owner?) at NCAT. No one else is going to fight this for you but that doesn’t mean you don’t have a valid complaint.

                              The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
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