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      Hi ediacaran

      It comes as a shock to most owners that the situation you describe is true in strata's, company titles and tenants in common schemes.  However it is normal for schemes to have one meter and the cost of the water be shared by all – it is not therefore user pays.  

       

      We have had very few schemes change over to individual metering.  To do this you would need a resolution of the Owners Corp which means those renting owners or owners who have higher than normal water usage would have to accept the eventual higher water bill – unfortunately this is unlikely.

      Best to contact a freindly plumb to give you an estimate – if you do not have one please call us and I will help.  

      Regards

      Murray Cameron

      Strata Real Estate Services

      https://www.stratares.com

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    • #14488 Reply
      FlatChatFan
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        mcameron @ stratares said:

        Hi ediacaran

        It comes as a shock to most owners that the situation you describe is true in strata's, company titles and tenants in common schemes.  However it is normal for schemes to have one meter and the cost of the water be shared by all – it is not therefore user pays.  

         

        We have had very few schemes change over to individual metering.  To do this you would need a resolution of the Owners Corp which means those renting owners or owners who have higher than normal water usage would have to accept the eventual higher water bill – unfortunately this is unlikely.

        Best to contact a freindly plumb to give you an estimate – if you do not have one please call us and I will help.  

        Regards

        Murray Cameron

        Strata Real Estate Services

        https://www.stratares.com

        If the Water Board sends the account, does that mean there is individual metering or just a share of the communal?  I have not seen a water meter near my villa?

        What would it involve to have individual meters in a group of villas (all one level and detached except for garages) ,and approximately how much would it cost to have changes to eleven villas?

        #14495 Reply
        DaveB
        Flatchatter

          Your water authority will bill the Owners Corporation for water consumption.   As this is a charge to the admin fund, owners will pay a proportion in accordance with their unit entitlement, which is unlikely to relate to the actual quantity of water consumed by their unit in relation to the total charged out for the whole strata plan.   Is this fair?  I think not, as other services such as gas and electricity, and telephone are provided to the individual units, with separate metering for each unit.

          It is possible to provide meters for individual units, but you'll find the water authority won't want to read individual meters for each unit when they can just charge out one bill for the whole plan.  So then you're faced with having to get some-one else to read the meters and bill the individual owners to recoup costs.  You'll also have to separately re-plumb the taps which relate to common property, and provide a meter (or meters) for them.  Now if any one disputes the meter readings you have to be able to retest those meters for accuracy.  Getting back to your original question, how much will all that cost?   How long is a piece of string?

          Once upon a time our water was charged out with a generous allowance for each household before excess water charges were levied, but since the decision was made some years back to charge for each drop consumed, an inequitable situation has existed for apartment dwellers, where there is little incentive to conserve water as the charging is more or less invisible as the previous poster has pointed out. 

          #14496 Reply
          FlatChatFan
          Flatchatter

            Thank you very much DaveB.

            #14499 Reply
            Chris
            Flatchatter

              The issue of individual water meters in strata complexes is currently being investigated by a number of water authorities.

              The intricacies of the physical installation and regular meter reading requirements can be quite complex for units. It’s generally a lot easier for townhouses and villas, and in many cases your water authority would be able to read the meters as they do for houses.

              Individual water meters are also more attractive for investor owners after the most recent changes to the Residential Tenancies Act. The Residential Tenancies Act 2010 says:

              39   Water usage charges payable by tenant

              (1)  A tenant must pay the water usage charges for the residential premises, but only if:

              (a)  the premises are separately metered or the premises are not connected to a water supply service and water is delivered to the premises by vehicle, and

              (b)  the premises contain water efficiency measures prescribed by the regulations for the purposes of this section, and

              (c)  the charges do not exceed the amount payable by the landlord for water used by the tenant.

              If I were you I’d call your water authority and get them to assess the suitability of your particular site.

              And the Residential Tenancies Regulation 2010 stipulates:

              11   Water efficiency measures required for payment of usage charges by tenants: s 39 (1) (b) of Act

              The prescribed water efficiency measures that residential premises are required to contain before a tenant can be required to pay water usage charges for the premises are as follows:

              (a)  all showerheads on the premises must have a maximum flow rate of 9 litres per minute,

              (b)  all internal cold water taps and single mixer taps for kitchen sinks or bathroom hand basins on the premises must have a maximum flow rate of 9 litres per minute,

              (c)  there must be no leaking taps on the premises at the commencement of the residential tenancy agreement or when the water efficiency measures are installed, whichever is the later.

              Note. Taps and showerheads having a maximum flow rate of 9 litres per minute have a 3 star water efficiency rating.

               

              If I were you I wouldn’t give up yet, and contact your water authority and ask them to assess the suitability of your particular site.

              #14512 Reply

              Hi All,

              So what if you are in a mixed developement? I previously looked into and there was some measure of drama and confusing information and no clear instructions. Response from the commercial premises was clearly negative. What if you have a laundromat or cafe or some other business that has high water usage in a mainly residential building? Would love to see some forward thinking and straightforward guidance from government in implementing seperate water usage in all apartment blocks.

              Cheers,

              CBF

              #14518 Reply
              Chris
              Flatchatter

                Hi CBF,

                 

                Water usage in mixed developments is starting to become contentious, now that more owners have knowledge of how consumption billing actually works. At a conceptual level if residents start to question whether their levies should be paying for that used by water-dependant businesses, the businesses can then turn around and object to paying for expenses related to the residential  component (often many more lots) of the scheme.

                 

                In our building 4 of the 6 commercial lots are water-dependant, including two hairdressers. We’re now embarking on getting some facts before we determine if there’s a significant need to address the issue further.

                 

                The new benchmark data from Sydney Water is one part of the equation https://www.greenstrata.com.au/category/know-where-your-water-used (it’s the best available in the sorry absence of individual meters).

                 

                Our water consumption is logged and we can access data daily over the net. We’re about to install sub-meters on the feeds to the commercial premises to find out exactly what proportion of total consumption is attributable to them. What we find will determine our next steps. I’ll let you know how we go.

                 

                I know there are many issues with retrofitting individual meters to apartments, but I would think retrofitting them to ground floor commercial premises would not be that much of an issue. What does arise then if commercial lots are paying for their own water, is the need to calculate levies differently for residential & commercial lots. In NSW, perhaps the current review/reform should consider this.

                 

                Cheers

                Chris

                #14530 Reply
                Sir Humphrey
                Flatchatter

                  For what it's worth, our OC (105 townhouses) swapped to individual water metering years ago. It took some lobbying and discussion but people agreed in the end. We have 108 meters on site, 105 for the units and 3 in different areas of the common property. The OC pays the 3 bills, the 105 go to individuals just like in non-strata. We are in the ACT and the decision was made easier by having the meters all in place already on individual lines to each unit. 

                  #14573 Reply

                  Thanks Chris,  looking forward to hearing the results.

                  Cheers,

                  CBF

                  #14785 Reply
                  Chris
                  Flatchatter

                    Hi,

                     

                    The update I promised after our investigation of water use by retail lots…

                    We installed a couple of sub-meters to get a better idea of what these premises were using. What we found, much to our surprise, is that the 3 most water-dependant businesses – 2 hairdressers and 1 nail parlour – between them only average 1kL/day. That's out of an average of 53kL/day for the whole building. So at least in our building we now know that the commercial lots are not being overly subsidised by everyone else, and it all comes down to what individuals do in their units.

                     

                    I'd still be interested to know the impact of restaurants and laundromats in other buildings!

                     

                    Cheers

                    Chris

                    #14795 Reply

                    Hey Chris, thanks for the update. I am surprised that the usage is so low.

                    Do you feel the cost of installing the submeters in your building was worthwhile? If you don't mind my asking what were the costs of installing?

                    Cheers

                    CBF

                    #14806 Reply
                    Chris
                    Flatchatter

                      Hi CBF,

                       

                      We were all very surprised that the usage was so low, and asked the consultant to double-check that the readings were correct – which they were.

                       

                      It cost us $800 for the 2 sub-meters. On the surface it may not appear in hindsight to be money well spent. However as our owners are now acutely aware of the inequities in how they pay for water, the assumption that the retail lots were being heavily subsidised by all other owners was becoming quite emotional. We've put that to bed with the facts now, so I think it was still worth spending the money to calm things down.

                       

                      Cheers

                      Chris

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