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    Anonymous

      Here’s an interesting development on the non-smoking front.  Owners in the building in the CBD that won the case banning smoking in an apartment because tobacco fumes were leaking into neighbours homes, are being asked what they think about establishing  non-smoking floors in their building.
      Now, before anyone gets too hot and bothered, I can’t see anyone being told what he or she can’t do INSIDE his or her apartment unless it clearly affects their neighbours.
      However, this could be bad news for those of you who take a sly puff on the balcony where you have been banished by your non-smoking partners. And, logically, it could be an end to the unbelievable selfishness and stupidity of barbecues on at least some balconies.
      Since many modern balconies are common property, your neighbours could force you and your fatal attraction to burnt meat and tobacco back inside your home where you can only harm yourself and your family.
      But what would happen if all the owners on one floor agreed that they didn’t want smoking inside their own or each other’s apartments, ever?  They could probably do that by clauses added to their property contracts, agreeing that none of them would smoke or allow tenants to smoke or allow future purchasers of their property to do either.
      Or they could go to their Owners Corporation and ask them to pass a special bylaw covering their floor that made it non-smoking.  That’s where it might get tricky if enough neighbours, spotting the thin end of a very thick wedge, objected on principle.
      Fewer than 20 percent of Australians smoke regularly but they get very, very angry if we suggest that the right of the other 80 percent to fresh air is more important than their right to kill themselves and their children with carcinogenic fumes.
      Finally, the City Futures research centre at UNSW is about to wrap up its survey into managing major repairs in strata.  Flat Chat readers have already responded in numbers but if you have something to say about strata repairs and you haven’t already done so log on to http://www.surveys.unsw.edu.au/survey/154313/1330/ and start ticking the boxes.

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      Anonymous

        Last year our Executive Committee passed a by-law banning smoking not only on all the common property of the building (balconies, footpaths, car park etc) BUT in each unit too! The also passed a by-law banning the use of BBQ’s on the property. We’ve had a couple of smokers try to breach the by-law, and in response, the EC sent them letters informing them that if they continue to break the by-law, not only do they risk having their lease terminated, but they also risk being fined for breach of by-law (i.e. being issued with a Notice to Comply with a By-Law, that carries a penalty of $550) and will even be charged for any damage caused to their unit and the common property, such as having the walls repainted, carpet dry cleaned etc. Listed below are the two by-laws in case anyone else would like to use them in their strata scheme:

        1. By-law prohibiting smoking on the premises:

        (i) The owner or occupier of the lot must not smoke nor allow smoking within a lot or within the common property.

        (ii) Without limiting para (i), the owner or occupier of a lot must not allow any

        invitee to his lot to smoke within the lot or upon the common property.

        2. By-law prohibiting the use of BBQ’s on the premises:

        No owner or occupier of a lot may use (nor allow any other person including their invitees to use) any cooking device including any form of barbeque – whether gas, electric or otherwise – on any balcony or terrace forming part of their lot or elsewhere on the common property.

        #12305
        Jimmy-T
        Keymaster

          Slightly off topic, I'd just like to acknowledge the contibution of someone who clearly remembers 'Big Brother” before it was the name of a crass TV show.

          The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
          #12360
          Anonymous

            Although off the topic in part – I do not wish to get involved in the smoking in units debate.  But I DO live in the block highlighted by the article Rachel has presented.

             

            While I don't take away from Mr Kuhns rights or state of health, there is more to this particular story – this is more of a case of general neighbours at war with residents playing tit for tat about many issues with the most recent and public being the Kuhns article in the paper – which as I wrote into the paper contains many inaccuracies.

            #12372
            Anonymous

              JimmyT said:

              Slightly off topic, I'd just like to acknowledge the contibution of someone who clearly remembers 'Big Brother” before it was the name of a crass TV show.


              Nice spot Smile

              #12640
              Anonymous

                Winston Smith said:

                Last year our Executive Committee passed a by-law banning smoking not only on all the common property of the building (balconies, footpaths, car park etc) BUT in each unit too! The also passed a by-law banning the use of BBQ’s on the property. We’ve had a couple of smokers try to breach the by-law, and in response, the EC sent them letters informing them that if they continue to break the by-law, not only do they risk having their lease terminated, but they also risk being fined for breach of by-law (i.e. being issued with a Notice to Comply with a By-Law, that carries a penalty of $550) and will even be charged for any damage caused to their unit and the common property, such as having the walls repainted, carpet dry cleaned etc. Listed below are the two by-laws in case anyone else would like to use them in their strata scheme:

                1. By-law prohibiting smoking on the premises:

                (i) The owner or occupier of the lot must not smoke nor allow smoking within a lot or within the common property.

                (ii) Without limiting para (i), the owner or occupier of a lot must not allow any

                invitee to his lot to smoke within the lot or upon the common property.

                2. By-law prohibiting the use of BBQ’s on the premises:

                No owner or occupier of a lot may use (nor allow any other person including their invitees to use) any cooking device including any form of barbeque – whether gas, electric or otherwise – on any balcony or terrace forming part of their lot or elsewhere on the common property.

                For anyone insterested in using either by-law in their own strata scheme, I recently tracked down the contact details of the company that originally drafted the by-laws for us, so it's best to get your EC/managing agent to contact them is you wish to use them:

                J S Mueller & Co
                1st floor
                240 Princes Highway
                Arncliffe NSW 2205
                0295621266

                #15123

                Well, let's face a few facts – smokers in general have scant regard for their own personal health and have less regard for the health of others.  

                They will smoke anywhere, including balconies, where they flick their waste (ash & butts) over the edge, and yes they don't care where their smoke ends up.  

                Apart from the polluting effect which includes; millions of butts going down drains and pouring into our waterways and the countless number of butts ending up on other balconies and in garden beds below – the fire hazards alone are frightening.  In high rise apartment it's an accident waiting to happen. 

                As a motorcycle rider I'm constantly bombarded with butts and ash from smokers in front of me – they are completely oblivious to their actions.

                It would be pointless to ban smoking in a particular apartment or on a particular level – unless of course it's on the top floor/level – where smoke wont affect others above them. 

                Let's give the smokers another wake up call and ban them from smoking on balconies as well as all other common areas (if not already in force). 

                Respect Non-Smokers

                 

                Mac

                #74296
                johnnndiesel
                Flatchatter

                  The best idea is to conduct a survey among residents to gauge interest in non-smoking floors. Ensure transparency and open communication to address concerns and gather support.

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