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    analuk
    Flatchatter

      Have entered into an agreement (about 10 points) with the friend of a friend to rent a new self-contained building next to the main house.

      We (owners and tenant) came up with a rental agreement of our own that both parties (owners and tenant) agreed to and said the same by email.

      At a 3-month review meeting, the owners gave the tenant very early notice that they may place the property on the market in several months time (due to a recent change in the owners circumstances). The tenant had previously asked to be kept informed early of any tenancy issues such as this….the tenant was upset by this news (naturally), and insisted a 12-month initial term had been verbally agreed at the outset. The owners dispute this in fact only one of them was present for this discussion with the tenant which only alluded to the possibility of 12 months, but was never clarified.

      The email agreement initially referred to does not mention a lease period, ..and  the tenant did not ask for this to to be modified after review to include such a period of 12 months.

      Still no action (sales contract ..etc) has been taken by the owners to sell the property in question (now 4 months into the tenancy)……

      The owners are trying to reasonable here…hence the very early heads-up notice, this in itself has caused tenant distress…not intended.

      Ethical and legal feedback welcome….this is the owners first foray into renting out a property or part thereof.

      ps this has caused a certain ongoing tension between the parties since the 3-month meeting….

      pps the tenant has been given a 40-50% discount on the rental cost which  amounts to about $100 / week discount. This discount was due to being part of an organisation to which we are all connected ……

      Are we being reasonable in expecting that the tenant may have to move on in the last 3 months or so of the perceived 12 months???

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      scotlandx
      Flatchatter

        You have a periodic agreement, because the agreement doesn’t specify a term.  In the case of a periodic agreement, a landlord must give 30 days notice of termination.

        In the case of a fixed term agreement the agreement can’t be terminated before the end of the term, even if the property is sold.

        You may not be aware that for residential tenancies of less than 3 years the Residential Tenancies Act requires that the parties enter into an agreement, refer the standard form:

        https://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/pdfs/Tenants_and_home_owners/Residential_tenancy_agreement.pdf

        I don’t think the perceived 12 months is really relevant, at the very least it is is disputed by the parties that that was agreed.  But this is not legal advice.

        Everyone will have different views in relation to the rights and wrongs of a situation like this – some years ago I had some tenants who neglected to renew their fixed term lease, so it reverted to a periodic tenancy.  I then sold the apartment.  They protested, but I pointed out to them that if they had wanted certainty they should have renewed the lease, and after all it was my property.

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        analuk
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          Thanks Scotlandx, Ploughing through Fair Trading doco…..very handy….I should have read this first I think….

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