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    kh
    Flatchatter

      Hi all, we are a small 6 lot Neighbourhood Association. We are after recommendations of someone who could or would like to manage such a small Association.  Our current managers are either overworked or we are too small for them to manage.  We are extremely low maintenance and need someone who has the time to fit us in.  Our current managers dont get back to us (10 weeks is normal) and we feel unacceptable.  Can anyone recommend someone who this would suit. We are located North West Sydney.  Thank you.

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    • #74331
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        Have you considered self-management using software like Stratabox (our sponsors)? If you are as low maintenance as you say, why not cut out the middle person and just deal with stuff yourselves?  If your strata managers are only getting the average fees, based on a cost per unit of, say, $220,  that adds up to $1320 a year for the whole block; i.e. it’s literally not worth them picking up the phone more than a handful of times.

        Smaller firms have ways of amortising their costs for small blocks – but these days of Zoom meetings and management and accounting platforms, self-management is worth considering.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #74336
        TrulEConcerned
        Flatchatter

          I agree with Jimmy about self managing.

          The issue you may find, as I did in a small scheme I am associated with, is that some owners believe a “professional” manager is needed and not an owner doing the job part time. When I quizzed them: “what exactly do you mean by professional”? They were unable to reply coherently.

          There is a virus in strataland that infects some owners who believe, with zero evidence,  that all strata managers are:

          (1) Superior to owners doing the job; and

          (2) Efficient; value for money and put the interests of owners ahead of their own.

          The best strata manager I ever found was efficient, but was very expensive.

          When it comes to small schemes, say 6 lots, I found that quotes come in two sizes. Offered on a per annum basis they either a low balled eg $250 per lot but have huge charges for every single thing they are asked to do: send a letter; answer an email; prepare for a legal dispute (quite separate from the solicitor’s fees); call a tradesman, attend to paperwork etc. The kicker is that “attending to paperwork” may take an owner 2 hrs. The strata mgr may say it took 6 hrs at his hourly rate ends up horribly expensive. So by year end you’re not looking at say $1,500 ie $250 x 6, but possibly $4,000

          Or quotes are high balled, e.g. $600 per lot, i.e $3,600 per year plus lower (than the above) charges for “additional” services as listed above.

          Whatever you do, if you decide on a strata mgr, look at the contract closely.

           

           

          #74396
          StrataChair
          Flatchatter
          (from NSW)

            I’ll weigh in on self-management. We (well, I) manage my 14 unit building in Sydney’s inner west.

            The economics of strata management really don’t work well for small buildings. Many of the tasks (paying routine bills, issuing levies, budgets, organising and running an AGM) take pretty much the same time for a 6-lot plan as they do for a 150-lot plan. So a good, conscientious manager charging reasonable rates will cost each owner a chunk of money.

            A sloppy, third-rate manager (as you seem to have) will charge much the same and resent you because the opportunities for exploitation aren’t as good as a big building.

            I’m most familiar with the Strata Schemes Management Act, while an NA is governed by the Community Land Management Act 2021 . Looking through it quickly, it seems to mirror the SSMA, but do check.

            The key jobs of a manager are:

            1. Financial: preparing the budget, setting and collecting the contributions and paying the bills. Keep this simple, with all regular bills paid by direct debit and a single annual contributions notice. Owners can pay monthly or quarterly with automatic payments.
            2. Managing maintenance: Find good local tradespeople and give them regular tasks. For example: we have our plumbers do an annual check of gutters/roof, balcony drains, flexible hoses and hot water systems (all sources of past problems) and a more frequent check of our sump pump. While they’re in the building, owners get tap washers and trickling toilets fixed – for the marginal cost of the extra time (i.e. no callout fee).
            3. Statutory: You need to maintain a roll and hold an annual general meeting with some required motions.

            One of my key recommendations to potential self managers is to know your limits (of knowledge and time) and use outside experts. Lawyers, accountants, building consultants will all know more about their respective fields than even the best strata manager (who would often engage these for you, and, quite reasonably, adding the cost of their own time).

            My other recommendation is to sign up for sites like Flat Chat and join the Owners Corporation Network [disclosure: I am a director of OCN] so you have access to resources and advice.

            This is a bit rough and ready, but I hope it’s helpful.

            Good luck!

            #74424
            TrulEConcerned
            Flatchatter

              StrataChair, you make some good points. Thanks. Your post is more than “rough and ready”, trust me.

              Now that I am Secretary of a scheme and a longtime subscriber to Flatchat, I will look into the OCN given my horrible experience with some – not all –  schemes, where SC members toot their own horns and are are often unable to defend their position on issues: their solution? No Q&A at meetings.

              #74518
              kaindub
              Flatchatter

                There are two thing to consider

                1. is someone willing to actually do the administrative work. Is someone knowledgeable about the strata laws.
                2. Do you want someone else to take all the “hassle” out of managing your strata

                Self managing a small strata is not very difficult, but if there are personality clashes, an independent referee is sometimes helpful

                There are many strata managers who are willing to manage small schemes

                Why not change strata managers. But in doing so interview the prospects and see how willing they are to manage a small complex.

                Personally I would steer clear of the bid strata firms as a small scheme wil just get lost in the noise. Also the large strata managers are driven by process (do it our way) when small schemes want more  flexibility than that.

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